SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt. "Klotz"

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Re: SS PZ GR RGT "KLOTZ"

Post by Charles Trang » 25 May 2008 15:46

Thank you Marc. I am back home now and I just had a look at the Siegrunen issue in question. Yes, Kettgen doest not wear his RK (it seems my memory betrayed me) as this one was attributed in February 1945. But it must be noted that this attribution was given for his actions against the slovak uprising. I agree with you concerning the confusion about the regiments formed from SS-Pz.Gren.Schule "Kienschlag". This is something we can enlarge to the whole Waffen-SS. That is why its history is so gripping, much because of its complexity and of its numerous shadowy or missing elements.

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Re: SS PZ GR RGT "KLOTZ"

Post by RolandP » 25 May 2008 16:29

Hello,
the SS-battle group or regiment "Schill" was formed with an Alarm-Bataillon from SS-Führerbewerber-course SS-Pz.Gren.AuE-Btl 2 at Josefstadt, Ostuf. Kettgen, and the former third bataillon of SS-Pz.Gren.-Lehr-Rgt Kienschlag, Hstuf. Teuteberg, not in action with the other parts of this regiment in Hungaria and Italy in March to June 1944.

Regards yours Roland

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Re: SS PZ GR RGT "KLOTZ"

Post by Marc Rikmenspoel » 26 May 2008 05:33

Thank you Roland for that clarification, and welcome back Charles!

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Re: SS PZ GR RGT "KLOTZ"

Post by Mikedc » 28 May 2008 21:54

Roland quoted from the Vinckx/Schotanius-book: Am 12.2.45 wird das "SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt.Klotz" der 23.SS-PzGrenDiv zugeführt und (als SS-Frw.PGR 48) unterstellt. SS-Ostubaf.Klotz übergibt das Rgt.48 am 25.2.45 an Stubaf.Scheibe.

I was under the impression that Rudolf Klotz was CO from SS-Freiwilligen-Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment 49????


Gretz,
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Re: SS PZ GR RGT "KLOTZ"

Post by ThEicke » 29 May 2008 13:00

Hej!

I would thank this forum for giving me a hint to find and look for my father’s unit
witch was SS Pz Gren Btl 18 and was at staff-education 4/6 – 29/7 1944 in Breslau.
And I have a group-photo from that time.


Grüße ThEicke

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Re: SS PZ GR RGT "KLOTZ"

Post by RolandP » 29 May 2008 18:12

Mikedc wrote: ...I was under the impression that Rudolf Klotz was CO from SS-Freiwilligen-Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment 49????....
Dear Mike,
on page 505 of the mentioned book, you may find the document of the change in command of SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt 48 from Stubaf Klotz to Stubaf. Scheibe on Feb. 25 1945, signed by SS-Brigadeführer and Generalmajor der Waffen-SS and divisional commander; is it possible, that Klotz took over the SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt 49 for some time a f t e r this date? Unfortunately I have no further information about Klotz after this date in my files!?

Regards Roland

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Re: SS PZ GR RGT "KLOTZ"

Post by Marc Rikmenspoel » 29 May 2008 19:15

Hanns-Heinrich Lohmann was commanding SS-PGR 49 DR from the autumn of 1944 through the end of the war, as far as I know. Klotz moved from Reg. Klotz (which became SS-PGR 48 GS) to take over SS-PGR 24 Danmark, succeeding Albrecht Krügel when the latter was KIA at Altdamm in late March 1945.

I too have Vincx/Schotanius deel 3, and in the list of commanders for SS-PGR 49 DR it does list "Rudi Klotz," so perhaps he replaced Lohmann for a few weeks around early-mid March 1945. Lohmann was wounded a number of times during the war, so Klotz might have filled in for a few weeks if Lohmann was wounded again, before Klotz took over Danmark .

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Re: SS PZ GR RGT "KLOTZ"

Post by walter1970 » 05 Mar 2010 11:39

RolandP wrote: II./SS-PGR 35, nun Begleit-Btl.RFSS FPNr. 39852) was in Pommerania in early February 1945 as well, as the former company commander of 4.heavy company, Ostuf. Claus Cordsen stated in a report after the war. He mentioned the transport from the Elsass-aera after January 9th 1945 in the Dramburg - Crössinsee - aera and a following retreat to Stargard and wrote: " ... “… Aus Klemmen (! Lücke zwischen Plöne- und Madü-See südlich Stargard, Roland) retteten wir uns gegen Abend des 10.2.1945 nur dadurch, daß wir uns quer durch die Landschaft über ober-flächlich gefrorenen schweren Acker nach Gr.Schönfeld absetzten – zu Fuß und Verwundete schleppend, rechts und links vom Feind überholt. Einen auf unseren Karten nicht verzeichneten schmalen Kanal konnten wir nur schwimmend überwinden und mußten eine größere Zahl nagelneuer “Hetzer” - kleine, sehr flache Jagdpanzer – gesprengt zurücklassen.
Völlig durchnäßt, aber durch ständige Bewegung warmgehalten, begann unter Mitnahme zahlreicher Ver-sprengter anderer Truppenteile ein langer Nachtmarsch um den Madüsee herum nach Stargard zu unseren Fahrzeugen.
...
Für Ostubaf.Götz Persch und mich, inszwischen befreundet, ergab sich sogar Gelegenheit, mit unserem Quartiergeber, Hofbesitzer in Gustavsruh und Kreisjägermeister, in seinem herrlichen Revier auf die Pirsch zu gehen. ... " (Manuskript Cordsen, S. 3-4)

Regards yours Roland

Hi!
Could you tell something more about Ostuf. Claus Cordsen in Klemmen? It's very interesting for me, becouse I come from Klemmen (now Kłęby). As I know, Russians were in Klemmen already at 9.02.45. It's official date of Klemmen capture. Where can I find this "Manuskript Cordsen"? Have you it? Could you give me some copy/scan -[email protected]
Regards Waldek

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Re: SS PZ GR RGT "KLOTZ"

Post by RolandP » 07 Mar 2010 09:52

Dear Waldek,

I got a copy of the “manuscript” of former Ostuf. Cordsen from the owner of the magazine “Der Freiwillige” some months before,
but unfortunately, this is all, what is mentioned about the action of the unit in the Klemmen area, so there are no further information left! :(

Regards yours Roland

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Hstuf. Claus Cordsen

Post by Moniroth You-Bell » 23 Sep 2011 15:11

B:5.12.20
Hstuf. Chef, 4./SS-PGR.35 2.45
SS:451954

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Re: SS PZ GR RGT "KLOTZ"

Post by Bagaudas » 16 Dec 2017 22:00

Goodnight

I would like to know if the SS-Panzergrenadier Regiment Klotz, belonged entirely to the 23rd SS-Freiwilligen Panzergrenadier Division "Nederland", and whether its initial separation on February 8, 1945 between the two units of the III SS-Panzerkorps was final or only provisional . The question is raised based on a document I found on this Web page dated February 23, 1945 regarding the Dutch unity of the Waffen-SS.

The link to the page is the following:
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/n ... ect/zoom/4

Thanks for your attention.

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Re: SS-Hstuf. Claus Cordsen

Post by Halfdan S. » 27 Sep 2019 19:37

Moniroth You-Bell wrote:
23 Sep 2011 15:11
B: 05.12.1920
SS-Hstuf., Chef 4./SS-PGR 35 00.02.1945
SS-Nr.: 451.954
Any additional Info on Cordsen?
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Halfdan S.

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Re: SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt. "Klotz"

Post by HistoryJule » 20 Dec 2022 15:11

@RolandP: I am searching on any information regarding Götz Persch, who is mentioned in the Manuskript Cordsen. Would you be so kind to send me the whole document, if you still have it?
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Jule

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Re: SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt. "Klotz"

Post by Cassian » 20 Oct 2023 14:41

@HistoryJule: Hey I am also searching for any information regarding Götz Persch. Maybe we can get in touch with each other and exchange our Information? Would love to here from you.
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Cassian

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