Unit emblems identification help

[reinaart]

Here's yet another variation on the oak-leaves theme, this pic is also in one of the PT issues:

I must say it does resemble the sign on the Lorraine MarderI .The source of the pic (and some discussion about this particular emblem),stunning model by the way :
http://www.militarymodelling.com/forums ... 35139&p=11

Arjan

[heviarti]

Is there an emblem or insignia associated with Infanterieregiment 9 (The famous Graf 9) Later the 23., Potsdam?

[Alanmccoubrey]

Is there an emblem or insignia associated with Infanterieregiment 9 (The famous Graf 9) Later the 23., Potsdam?

What do you mean "later the 23., Potsdam" ?

[Werter]

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... er/IR9.htm

[heviarti]

What do you mean "later the 23., Potsdam" ?

According to several sources:Infanterie-Regiment 9 was given the title Infanterie-Regiment Potsdam 1 Oct 1934 but was redesignated 15 Oct 1935. 23. Infanterie-Division was formed in Potsdam on 15 Oct 1935. from the 9th. It was mobilized Aug 1939 as part of the 1. Welle (wave). The designation 9th was given to an SS regiment. Amirite?

[Jeremiah29]

Arjan, I don't know what their insignia was either. As for the mirror image, it wouldn't be the first time an insignia was painted the wrong way around.
On the topic of 343. ID both Lexikon der Wehrmacht and Zetterling in his Normandy book show this division without any SP Anti-tank at all. This surprised me as the division does appear on the list of Lorraine/Pak 40 "owners" !

Hi Alan !
343. ID didn't have Lorraine/Pak 40 !..
But at the end of 1943, 353. ID had some Marder I, which were exchanged during the first quarter 1944 by some Marder III. (D. Laugier - 39-45 Mag. n°224)

Laurent

[Jeremiah29]

Ooops, I just found an indication for the possibility of two 7,5 cm PaK (Sfl) in 14./GR 898 (343. ID), but nothing about the kind of vehicle...

[Alanmccoubrey]

What do you mean "later the 23., Potsdam" ?

According to several sources:Infanterie-Regiment 9 was given the title Infanterie-Regiment Potsdam 1 Oct 1934 but was redesignated 15 Oct 1935. 23. Infanterie-Division was formed in Potsdam on 15 Oct 1935. from the 9th. It was mobilized Aug 1939 as part of the 1. Welle (wave). The designation 9th was given to an SS-Regiment. Amirite?

9th Infanterie Regiment was indeed part of 23. Infanterie-Division (the Division wasn't formed from it) and when the Division was converted to 26. Panzer-Division the Regiment changed its name to Panzergrenadier. Why would it be necessary for an SS unit to take over the designation 9th ? There was no doubt a 9. SS-Regiment of some type but it had no connection to the Army unit of the same number .

[heviarti]

The place I read it (can't seem to recall where) stated that the designation 9th was given to an SS unit because it was made free by calling Graf 9 23. Potsdam. My source could be wrong. I've searched on it alot trying to find a unit insignia, but as yet all I found was a photograph of Hans von Seeckt I'd never seen before.

[Alanmccoubrey]

Well, since the Infanterie-Regiment 9 was never renumbered the IR 23 your source must be incorrect.

[heviarti]

it's possible. that still leaves me looking for an insignia, though. As a side-note, appaently a great percentage of the July 20 plotters had infact served in Graf 9. If I find that article I was reading I'll link you to it.


Thanks,
Hevi

[punkyto]

Hola!!
Can anyone identify this emblem
Ebay photo

[reinaart]

I have no idea about the bear emblem (at least that's what it looks like to me) but I wonder if there might be some connection with Prussia. Perhaps a unit that was raised in this region (Sachsen-Anhalt):
http://dsb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dataja:Wa ... Anhalt.png
Instead of providing answers I would like to raise another question . I wonder if anyone knows the following sign. The pic in question is a still from a German newsreel dating from May 44 if I remember correctly (the vehicle is obviously a MarderIII Ausf. M, the location is Italy):


Arjan

[MarioL]

Can anyone tell me something about this sign, is it a unit sign?
It is painted on a abandoned Stug III somewhere in western europe.

[Alanmccoubrey]

Can anyone tell me something about this sign, is it a unit sign?
It is painted on a abandoned Stug III somewhere in western europe.

That is the tactcial symbol for a Pz-Jg-Kp equipped with StuG's.