Organisation of SS-PzGren-Div. Leibstandarte-SS Adolf Hitler

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Re: Organisation of SS-Pz-Gren-Div. Leibstandarte SS Adolf H

Post by Mikedc » 13 Jan 2012 19:28

SS-Grenadier-Regiment 1 Staf Fritz WITT
15.Kompanie Hstuf Pinker

I've searched and searched but can't find this Hstuf Pinker anywhere else then here.
So regarding this 15. (schwere) Kompanie with SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment 1 I've the following:
SS-Hstuf Klaus Besch(co 15-7-42/1-43). He normally became CO from 5. (MG)Kompanie with I. Btl./SS-Pz.Gr.Rgt. 1
SS-Hstuf Pinker(co 1-43/7-43).
SS-Ostuf Franz Glaser(co 7-43/6-44).

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Re: Organisation of SS-Pz-Gren-Div. Leibstandarte SS Adolf H

Post by Pena V » 13 Jan 2012 22:14

Hi again Mike,

I have the same officers but different dates:
15 Jul 1942 - 22 Oct 1942...SS-Hstuf Besch Klaus (...or until Feb 1943)
- 15 Feb 1943................SS-Hstuf. Pinker (KIA 15 Feb 1943)
(Mar 1943) - 08 Jul 1944....SS-Ostuf. Glaser Franz (Hsf 20 Apr 1944)

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Re: Organisation of SS-Pz-Gren-Div. Leibstandarte SS Adolf H

Post by Mikedc » 13 Jan 2012 23:18

Hello Pena,
I agree with you that Besch was CO from this Kompanie between 15.07.42 and 22.10.42 and that he might have continued being commander till Pinker took over. But I still didn't find anything about this Pinker so far, so most likely his name is written uncorrectly. The only name close to Pinker is the following and now I see this person his DoD is the same as Pinker's DoD as you mention it here.
Nachname: Pinter
Vorname: Rupert
Dienstgrad: SS-Obersturmführer
Geburtsdatum: 18.09.1910
Geburtsort: Brutk
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 15.02.1943
Todes-/Vermisstenort: südl. Charkow(Ukraine).
Source: VDK-site

This raises another question. In this same thread there's an SS-Ostuf. called Ruppinter being commander from 10. Kompanie with II. Bataillon/SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment 1. I now also think this is also an incorrect writing and this Ruppinger is identical to this Rupert Pinter who got killed on 15.02.1943. This could mean that Pinker is identical to Rupert Pinter and that he was not CO from 15. Kp. but CO from 10. Kp.
Hopefully somebody can respond to this.

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Re: Organisation of SS-Pz-Gren-Div. Leibstandarte SS Adolf H

Post by Pena V » 14 Jan 2012 11:16

Mike,

I think this problem is solved. Ruppinter is clearly Rupert Pinter. Think how much easier this would have been if there had been a simple dot like this: Rup.pinter.
This reminds me of an old story of a political criminal in Finland 100 years ago. The court was in St. Petersburg and the accused was in Finland. The verdict came by telegram and looked like this: "Siberia No Mercy". Depending on the place of the dot this has two opposite meanings 1) Siberia. No Mercy. or 2) Siberia No. Mercy. :lol: A bit off topic.

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Re: Organisation of SS-Pz-Gren-Div. Leibstandarte SS Adolf H

Post by j keenan » 14 Jan 2012 18:32

The source for
Ruppinter
Pinker
is LSSAH Heimdal edition 1996
Rupert "Rip" Pinter Chef 10./SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt. 1 k.i.a. 15.02.43
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Re: Organisation of SS-Pz-Gren-Div. Leibstandarte SS Adolf H

Post by EugE » 15 Jan 2012 18:17

Hi
May anybody detaled the condition of the 18 companies?
As I as remember G. Bernage mentioned about 19 rec. coy during Kharkov battle?
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Re: Organisation of SS-Pz-Gren-Div. Leibstandarte SS Adolf H

Post by henry45 » 09 Apr 2012 14:27

Hi There does anyone know exactly how many tanks and what types the 1. SS-PzGrenDiv. had when it arrived in Kharkov about 3rdfeb 43?
Also the number and type of tanks that the 2. SS-PzGrenDiv. had operational on 3rd feb 1943.Also the number and types of tanks in the 3. SS-PzGrenDiv. on 19th feb 43 when it arrived in the Kharkov area.

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Re: Organisation of SS-Pz-Gren-Div. Leibstandarte SS Adolf H

Post by EugE » 09 Apr 2012 16:31

According to Jentz book "Panzertruppen vol.2"
LAH PzRgt consisted from: 9 x Tiger, 52 x Pz. IVG, 10 x Pz. III/L, 12 x Pz. II/F, 9 Bef.
also his Sturmgeschütz-Abt. 22 x StuG. IIIF/8, Panzerjäger-Abt. 27 x Sdkfz. 138 Marder III
DR: 10 x Т-VI/E Tiger, 21 x Т-IV/G, 81 x Т-III/L60, 8 10 x Т-II/F, 9Bef.
Sturmgeschütz-Abt. 20 x StuG. IIIF/8, Panzerjäger-Abt. 3rd coy. - 1 T-III и 9 Sdkfz.139 Marder III für 7,62 cm Pak 36(r).
Tk: 9 x Tiger, 22 x Pz. IVG, 71 x Pz. III/L, 10 x Pz. III/N, 9 Bef.
Sturmgeschütz-Abt. 21 x StuG. IIIF/8, Panzerjäger-Abt. 9 x Sdkfz. 132 Marder II
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Re: Organisation of SS-Pz-Gren-Div. Leibstandarte SS Adolf H

Post by henry45 » 17 Apr 2012 14:17

Hi EugE
Thanks very much this is a great help.You dont metion the tank strengths of the 3. SS-PzGrenDiv. Is this info in the Panzer-Truppen 2 book as well? I am also interested in any replacement or reinforcement afvs the three SS-PzGrenDiv.en dives received between 1st feb 43 and 19th march 43.Were the 2 Panzer Gren regiments motorised that is in trucks or were they in half tracks?Any info most helpful.
Henry

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Re: Organisation of SS-Pz-Gren-Div. Leibstandarte SS Adolf H

Post by henry45 » 22 Apr 2012 20:35

Hi EugE,
Ignore my last post I did not read yours correctly .I see you have listed the Totenkopf. Do you know if the 501, 502, 503 Tiger companies where involved and how many tigers they had. Or were 501, 502, 503 directly attached to the SS-Div.en and the Tigers listed are the 501/502/503. Does Panzertruppen give information as to replacement tanks received by the SS-Pz-Korps between 31/jan 43 and 19t/march43?
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Re: Organisation of SS-Pz-Gren-Div. Leibstandarte SS Adolf H

Post by EugE » 23 Apr 2012 02:21

henry45 wrote:Hi EugE,
Do you know if the 501, 502, 503 Tiger companies where involved and how many tigers they had. Or were 501, 502, 503 directly attached to the SS-Div.en and the Tigers listed are the 501/502/503. Does Panzertruppen give information as to replacement tanks received by the SS-Pz-Korps between 31/jan 43 and 19t/march43?
regards henry
Something about it you can find in book of W. Schneider "Tigers in combat II".
Really you have confused me by 501, 502 & 503. In each of these three units, during end of 1942, were raised "schwere Kompanie", they were numbered in LAH & Tk by number 4, DR - by number 8.
Panzertruppen doesn't give information as to replacement tanks. The SS-Pz-Korps between 31/jan 43 and 19t/march43 has not received any tanks replacements.
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Re: Organisation of SS-Pz-Gren-Div. Leibstandarte SS Adolf H

Post by henry45 » 23 Apr 2012 08:44

Hi Euge,
Thanks for that. To make things a little clearer. I know that there were three schwere Pz units with Tigers called 501/502/503 these were SS units because of the numbering 501/2/3 I wondered if they were the shwere Pz units attached to the 1st/2nd/3rd/SS-Pz.-Div.en if not as you say where any of them involved in the battle? You say the 2nd SS-Pz.-Korps received no replacement tanks during the period. Do you have any idea how many tanks returned to the 3 SS-Pz.-Div.en after repair?
during the battle?
Regards Henry

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Re: Organisation of SS-Pz-Gren-Div. Leibstandarte SS Adolf H

Post by j keenan » 23 Apr 2012 12:51

s. Pz.Abt. 501, 10.05.42 - 15.01.45, renamed s. Pz.Abt. 424 army unit
s. Pz.Abt. 502, 25.05.42, army unit
s. Pz.Abt. 503, 06.04.42 - 21.12.44,renamed s. Pz.Abt. Feldherrnhalle army unit
13. s. Kp/Pz.Rgt. 1/LAH, SS-unit on formation was the 4. s. Kp./Pz.Rgt. 1 went on to become s. Pz.Abt. 101 (501)
8. s. Kp/Pz.Rgt. 2/Das Reich, SS-unit went on to become s. Pz.Abt. 102(502)
9. s. Kp/Pz.Rgt. 3/Totenkopf, SS-unit on formation was the 4. s. Kp./Pz.Rgt. 3 went on to become s. Pz.Abt. 103 (503)

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Re: Organisation of SS-Pz-Gren-Div. Leibstandarte SS Adolf H

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 23 Apr 2012 18:34

j keenan wrote:s. Pz.Abt. 501, 10.05.42 - 15.01.45, renamed s. Pz.Abt. 424 army unit
s. Pz.Abt. 502, 25.05.42, army unit
s. Pz.Abt. 503, 06.04.42 - 21.12.44,renamed s. Pz.Abt. Feldherrnhalle army unit
13. s. Kp/Pz.Rgt. 1/LAH, SS-unit on formation was the 4. s. Kp./Pz.Rgt. 1 went on to become s. Pz.Abt. 101 (501)
8. s. Kp/Pz.Rgt. 2/Das Reich, SS-unit went on to become s. Pz.Abt. 102(502)
9. s. Kp/Pz.Rgt. 3/Totenkopf, SS-unit on formation was the 4. s. Kp./Pz.Rgt. 3 went on to become s. Pz.Abt. 103 (503)
You have missed that 502 was renamed 511 when the army's 501, 502 and 503 were renamed in order to avoid confusion when the W-SS's 101, 102 and 103 became 501, 502 and 503.
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Re: Organisation of SS-Pz-Gren-Div-Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hi

Post by henry45 » 29 Apr 2012 22:40

Thanks for the info i now have a clear idea of how many AFVs the SS pz corps had at the start of the 3rd battle of Kharkov and that they received no reinforcement tanks during the period 31st jan 43 to 19th march 43.Does anybody have info on how many tanks they were able to repair and return to the battle during this period.Would be great if someone knew the daily rate of returned repaired tanks and what sort of percentage of damaged tanks got repaired.
Henry

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