With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Re: With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 13 Sep 2009, 02:27

1 section Pz Abw Abt 39
It was one section (Trupp), not one company or one platoon (Zug)?
The total losses of the Group Ehlermann (II. /Reinforced SR 3, with 1 company of the III. /PR 5, 1 company of the II. /PR 6, 1 company Pi Btl 39, 1 battery of AR 75, 1 section Pz Abw Abt 39) were 154 men.
Probably this one company of the III./PR 5 was 6./Pz-Lehr-Rgt. (Schutzen-Kompanie 6.) which lost 12 - 18 KIA there.

Thanks for this casualty figure from the battle of Sawin! This number (154 - I guess that both KIA and WIA ?) seems highly probable (if 1 rifle company lost 12 - 18 KIA, then the remaining few companies could have similar losses).

Btw - what's the source of this figure?

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Re: With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Post by tigre » 13 Sep 2009, 03:07

Hello Domen :D; you've right there is not a section=trupp but a platoon=zug (I wrote in spanish sección=platoon then my error later) and the source for that figures is the KTB des Generalkommando XIX AK – Feldzug in Polen (got it thanks to Bill Russ).
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Re: With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 13 Sep 2009, 16:23

Thanks Tigre!

But I have some more questions:

This figure - 154 casualties - as I suppose, includes both killed and wounded, not only killed? Am I right?
you've right there is not a section=trupp but a platoon=zug
So it was platoon, not company? Because ww2 day by day provides 1./Pz.Abw.Abt.39 (which suggests 1st company).
the source for that figures is the KTB des Generalkommando XIX AK – Feldzug in Polen
And the last one - does this KTB provide casualties of units of XIX AK during the battle of Wizna?

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Re: With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Hello to all :D; last ones...................

At home..........

Sources: Memorias de un Soldado. Heinz Guderian. Círculo Militar. Buenos aires.
KTB des Genralkommando XIX AK – Feldzug in Polen.
Geschichte der Panzerregiment 5. Kapitel 3.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... en/3PD.htm
http://www.feldgrau.com/heer3p.html
http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/
Subasta de eBay (finalizada).
PANZER Photo Album - Aufkl. Abt 3 - -Sudetenland, Poland. Auction of Historical media 2007. LLC (now expired). Sábado, 25 de Octubre de 2008.

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Re: With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Post by tigre » 24 Oct 2009, 15:51

Hello to all :D; the Westfeldzug...................

With the 3 Pz in France 1940.

Before the campaign several changes in the chain of command had been taken place within the Division; Generalleutnant Geyr v. Schweppenburg handed over the command to Generalmajor Stumpf (ex- Commander of the 3 Pz Brigade), the new Commander of the 3 Pz Brigade was Oberst Kühn (ex- Commander of the School of Armored Troops - Panzertruppenchule) and Oberst Frhr v. Funck assumed as Commander of PR 5.

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The 3 Pz, together with the 4 Pz and the 20 ID (Mot), was within the framework of the XVI AK (Mot) under General der Kavallerie Hoepner, part of the 6 AOK under Generaloberst v. Reichenau which depended in turn of the Army Group B under Generaloberst v. Bock.

The task of the 3 Pz was to get across the Mosa River and then to cross the Albert Canal to the west of the city of Maastricht heading in the general direction of Brussels; for that reason, it was reinforced with the MG Btl 7, the II. /Flak Lehr Regiment and the II. /AR 49.

Sources: Geschichte der Panzerregiment 5. Kapitel 4.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... en/3PD.htm
http://www.feldgrau.com/heer3p.html
http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/
Hagridmerlino. Subasta de eBay (finalizada).

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Re: With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Hello to all :D; the Westfeldzug...................

With the 3 Pz in France 1940.

10 of May of 1940.
The march of the 3 Pz began on May 10 of 1940 at 10:00 hours in two march groups from the environs of Krefeld towards Aachen behind the 4 Pz.

11 of May of 1940.

The movement proceeded towards the Dutch border, towards 15:00 hours the vanguard of the division had reached the city of Maastricht; at dusk arrived the bulk of the Division, which got across the Mosa River by a pontoon bridge. During the night from the 11 to the 12 of May of 1940, the division crossed the Albert Channel and continued its march towards the interior of Belgium.

Sources: Geschichte der Panzerregiment 5. Kapitel 4.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... en/3PD.htm
http://www.feldgrau.com/heer3p.html
http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/
Hagridmerlino. Subasta de eBay (finalizada).

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Re: With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Post by tigre » 31 Oct 2009, 19:21

Hello to all ; the Westfeldzug...................

With the 3 Pz in France 1940.

12 of May of 1940.

At dusk in front of Hannut, first skirmishes of the advance guards with enemy forces.

13 of May of 1940.

On this day was developed the first great combat between armored forces of WW II between the divisions with garrisons in the capital cities of Germany and France; the 3 Pz of Berlin against the 3 DLM of Paris. The 3 Pz Brigade advanced at 12:30 hours as advanced guard; the PR 5 was reinforced with antitank troops (Pz Jäg). At 13:00 hours the high grounds on the Gette were reached. The PR 5 fought against an enemy antitank front and around 14:30 hours it crossed the Gette by an improvised bridge.

On the south French tanks attacked the brigade’s left flank and towards the northwest on Orp-Le-Grand, the right flank. The vehicles Pz KW I and II were stopped but the Pz KW III and IV continued the fighting against that enemy. The German tanks deployed in companies and sections establishing fronts with great speed of fire. Around 16:00 hours the PR 5 and PR 6 continued the advance towards the west with the fire support of AR 75 and the II. /AR 49. During the night from 13 to 14 of May of 1940 the PR 5 was assembled south of Orp-Le-Grand. The 3 DLM lost about 30 tanks type “Somua” and 70 tanks type “Hotchkiss”. The 6 AOK’s order for the following day was to continue the attack against Nivelles.

Sources: Geschichte der Panzerregiment 5. Kapitel 4.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... en/3PD.htm
http://www.feldgrau.com/heer3p.html
http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/
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Re: With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Post by tigre » 04 Nov 2009, 23:56

Hello to all :D; the Westfeldzug...................

With the 3 Pz in France 1940.

14 of May of 1940.

On May 14 of 1940 at 09:00 hours, the 3 Pz continued the attack successfully, with the 3 Pz Brigade to the front. The division came near to the Dyle Position (Dyle Stellung) after the Dyle River near Ernage and there the resistance stiffened. The Commander of XVI AK (Mot) General Hoeppner ordered the assault of that position the following day, 15 of May.

15 of May of 1940.

At 09:00 hours with the 3 Pz and the 4 Pz forward and great support of artillery, the Army Corps was sent to break the Defensive Position of the Dyle on both sides of Ernage.

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The III. /SR 3 marching as reserve in the neighborhood of the Bois de Buis - 15 May 1940.

The 3 Pz met there parts of the 3 French DLM, the 1 DM, the 1 DI and parts of the Belgians 2 DI and 7 DI. At dusk of the 15 of May of 1940, the 3 Pz Brigade reinforced with the SR 3 penetrated the position to the west of Ernage after undergoing serious losses.

Sources: Geschichte der Panzerregiment 5. Kapitel 4.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... en/3PD.htm
http://www.feldgrau.com/heer3p.html
http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/
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Re: With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Post by tigre » 07 Nov 2009, 22:50

Hello to all :D; the Westfeldzug...................

With the 3 Pz in France 1940.

16 of May of 1940.

The 3 Pz continued with the attack and pursuit of the enemy.

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A Pz KW III towing another vehicle and also giving a ride to those Moroccan prisoners - Ernage on May of 1940.

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A deserved rest after the victory - Ernage May of 1940.

Sources: Geschichte der Panzerregiment 5. Kapitel 4.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... en/3PD.htm
http://www.feldgrau.com/heer3p.html
http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/
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Re: With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Post by tigre » 12 Nov 2009, 00:46

Hello to all :D; the Westfeldzug...................

With the 3 Pz in France 1940.

16 of May of 1940.

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A gunner of a French anti-tank gun of 25 mm who fought to the last - Ernage may 1940.

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Columns of French and Belgians prisoners - Ernage May of 1940.

Sources: Geschichte der Panzerregiment 5. Kapitel 4.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... en/3PD.htm
http://www.feldgrau.com/heer3p.html
http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/
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Re: With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Post by tigre » 14 Nov 2009, 14:19

Hello to all :D; the Westfeldzug...................

With the 3 Pz in France 1940.

17 of May of 1940.

At 01:00 hours the 3 hours Pz Brig organized a forward detachment with the Aufkl. Abt. 3, in order to seize a crossing point on the Channel of Brussels, which ran in North-South direction due west of Nivelles.

The mass of the 3 Pz would follow in three march groups.

Sources: Geschichte der Panzerregiment 5. Kapitel 4.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... en/3PD.htm
http://www.feldgrau.com/heer3p.html
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Elements of the AA 3 detailed as the unit vanguard towards the Channel of Brussels - 17 of May of 1940
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Advance of the Unit’s bulk towards Nivelles; in the foreground a Pz Kw III - 17 of May of 1940.
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Re: With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Post by tigre » 18 Nov 2009, 23:51

Hello to all :D; the Westfeldzug...................

With the 3 Pz in France 1940.

18 of May of 1940.

After the 3 Pz had established a bridgehead on the Channel continued its advance due southwest towards Charleroi where it could take a brief rest. Now, the Unit was subordinated to the 4 AOK (Generaloberst v. Kluge).

Sources: Geschichte der Panzerregiment 5. Kapitel 4.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... en/3PD.htm
http://www.feldgrau.com/heer3p.html
http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/
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Re: With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Post by tigre » 21 Nov 2009, 15:30

Hello to all :D; the Westfeldzug...................

With the 3 Pz in France 1940.

20 of May of 1940.

In the morning of May 20 of 1940, the advanced parts of the 3 Pz crossed the French-Belgian border due east of Maubeuge. Around 11:40 hours, the vanguard had the first contact with the enemy along the North edge of the forests of Mormal. The 3 Pz received the task of clearing the forest and at the same time should protect the North flank of the XVI AK (Mot) in the area of Valenciennes.

21 of May of 1940.

On May 21 of 1940 at 06:30 hours the PR 5, reinforced with riflemen, artillery, flak, antitank, engineers and altogether with PR 6, launched the charge. At dusk of that very day the fortified positions were broken and the unit continued the advance on Valenciennes.

Sources: Geschichte der Panzerregiment 5. Kapitel 4.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... en/3PD.htm
http://www.feldgrau.com/heer3p.html
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Re: With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Post by tigre » 25 Nov 2009, 23:16

Hello to all :D; the Westfeldzug...................

With the 3 Pz in France 1940.

22 of May of 1940.

On May 22 of 1940 the XVI AK (Mot) was released in order to continue the attack due southwest in the direction of Cambrai. The SS LAH assumed the sector of the 3 Pz. The Armored division carried out a night march of 60 kilometers and reached the area due east of Bapaume.

23 of May of 1940.

On May 23 of 1940 at 09:00 hours, the 3 Pz received from XVI AK (Mot) the task of heading the breakthrough of the Army Corps towards the English Channel and of conquering the bridges on the Channel of La Basée in Robecq. Until May 26 of 1940, the division had to overcome the English resistance found in its advance.

Sources: Geschichte der Panzerregiment 5. Kapitel 4.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... en/3PD.htm
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http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/
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Re: With the 3 Pz through Poland - 1939.

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Post by tigre » 28 Nov 2009, 15:33

Hello to all :D; the Westfeldzug...................

With the 3 Pz in France 1940.

26 of May of 1940.

On May 26 of 1940 the 3 Pz was subordinated to the XXXXI AK (Mot) under General Reinhardt and received from this Army Corps the following assignment: to attack next day (27 of May) towards the Channel of the Lys in the direction of Merville - Bailleul.

27 of May of 1940.

On May 27 of 1940 at 08:00 hours and after one short artillery preparation was sent assault of the 3 Pz. After the riflemen managed to consolidate a bridgehead on the Channel of the Lys, the 3 Pz Brigade continued its advance in the direction of Merville; the II. /PR 6 was attached to the PR 5. The Division came close to Merville but the attack could not continue after the fall of the dark.

Sources: Geschichte der Panzerregiment 5. Kapitel 4.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... en/3PD.htm
http://www.feldgrau.com/heer3p.html
http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/
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British POWs taken on May 27 of 1940.
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