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Timo,
According to my sources Kurt Knispel had 162+ victories. What is your sources?
Regards
According to my sources Kurt Knispel had 162+ victories. What is your sources?
Regards
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howdy david1
hallo David!!!
the command car leading the Tigers is a captured british "Dingo" scout car.....
(from http://www.duxford.org)
regards
Xavier
the command car leading the Tigers is a captured british "Dingo" scout car.....
(from http://www.duxford.org)
regards
Xavier
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Thanks Timo for your corrections of my ideas. I will study more about the other panzer aces. With you, guys, I am learning something new everyday. Nice forum !
Silviu
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Timo wrote:
[quote]...Hardly worth reading. It's a poor pastice of facts, myths and plain lies from earlier publications. In one word: crap
earlier publication such as.....
[quote]...Hardly worth reading. It's a poor pastice of facts, myths and plain lies from earlier publications. In one word: crap
earlier publication such as.....
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What do you mean by the best anyway?
I agree with Timo's comment on that Simpson book, a rip off with the author putting imaginary words and thoughts into Wittmann.Timo Worst wrote:...No he was not, because there were several tank commanders who scored more kills. He was indeed the most famous, which explains why everybody assumes that he was the most successful.Silviu wrote:SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Michael Wittmann was the most successful and famous tank commander of World War II. There is no doubt about this !
- Kurt Knispel (s.Pz.Abt. 503) 168 tank kills
- Walter Schroif (s.SS-Pz.Abt.102) 161 tank kills
- Otto Carius (s.Pz.Abt. 502) 150+ tank kills
- Johannes Bölter (s.Pz.Abt. 502) 139-144 tank kills
- Michael Wittmann 138 tank kills
I beg to differ on this. Most will agree that Hans Joachim Marseille is the best fighter ace of all times, though not one with the most kills. Same applies to Michael Wittmann, and btw, I think he knocked out more paks than tanks, which most surviving members of the panzerwaffe agree are much more dangerous and harder to hit than a tank.
No, its nothing like that because contrairy to Wittmann, who was not the mosy successful ace panzerzace of WW2, Von Richthofen was indeed the most successful fighterpilot in WW1.Not mentioning him when talking about pancer aces is like talking about WW1 fighter aces and not mentioning von Richthoffen.
...Hardly worth reading. It's a poor pastice of facts, myths and plain lies from earlier publications. In one word: crapor order from amazon.com
Tiger Ace/the Life Story of Panzer Commander Michael Wittmann
by Gary L. Simpson
ISBN: 0887405266
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PLS. list every time the books to avoid because fulfilled of trash. I suggest you a sort of "INDICE" to be continuosly updated by moderators.Timo Worst wrote:...No he was not, because there were several tank commanders who scored more kills. He was indeed the most famous, which explains why everybody assumes that he was the most successful.Silviu wrote:SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Michael Wittmann was the most successful and famous tank commander of World War II. There is no doubt about this !
- Kurt Knispel (s.Pz.Abt. 503) 168 tank kills
- Walter Schroif (s.SS-Pz.Abt.102) 161 tank kills
- Otto Carius (s.Pz.Abt. 502) 150+ tank kills
- Johannes Bölter (s.Pz.Abt. 502) 139-144 tank kills
- Michael Wittmann 138 tank kills
No, its nothing like that because contrairy to Wittmann, who was not the mosy successful ace panzerzace of WW2, Von Richthofen was indeed the most successful fighterpilot in WW1.Not mentioning him when talking about pancer aces is like talking about WW1 fighter aces and not mentioning von Richthoffen.
...Hardly worth reading. It's a poor pastice of facts, myths and plain lies from earlier publications. In one word: crapor order from amazon.com
Tiger Ace/the Life Story of Panzer Commander Michael Wittmann
by Gary L. Simpson
ISBN: 0887405266
I was looking on the net something about Panzer leaders and I have found more than I was looking for!!!
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Wow another of the list with Kurt Knispel (s.Pz.Abt. 503) as the top tank killer of the war, this subject has been covered by a number of post and once again, while Kurt is one of the top tank gunners and commanders of the war. As a tank comander he didn't break the 100 mark and those numbers are the only ones that count, not the numbers from the time he was a gunner.
Otto Carius (s.Pz.Abt. 502) kills are far closer to 120 than 150, just a little reseach shows when he got the Knights Cross, and the Knights Cross with Oak Leaves and the number of kills at the time of those awards.
Johannes Bölter (s.Pz.Abt. 502) 139-144 tank kills could be the only person with more kills than Wittmann, his numbers for the last 2-3 months of the war are the only ones in questions, I have him with 114 before he is wounded and out of action for while.
Micheal Wittmann's total is between 138-144.
Walter Schroif (s.SS-Pz.Abt.102) I haven't looked into his number yet.
/hgm
Otto Carius (s.Pz.Abt. 502) kills are far closer to 120 than 150, just a little reseach shows when he got the Knights Cross, and the Knights Cross with Oak Leaves and the number of kills at the time of those awards.
Johannes Bölter (s.Pz.Abt. 502) 139-144 tank kills could be the only person with more kills than Wittmann, his numbers for the last 2-3 months of the war are the only ones in questions, I have him with 114 before he is wounded and out of action for while.
Micheal Wittmann's total is between 138-144.
Walter Schroif (s.SS-Pz.Abt.102) I haven't looked into his number yet.
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