An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

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Re: An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

Post by lutrebois » 27 Nov 2016 18:57

Hello Sandeep,
Me too!
I've compiled a list of 39 VS-Bns that saw combat in the battle for Berlin.
Of course, that list is not final; there are Always units to be found and added.
The Bns mentionned in my last post are not in my list. The only source on the web I know of, is the "Russian link".
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Re: An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

Post by Art » 28 Nov 2016 09:28

lutrebois wrote: You mention some, for me new/unknown Bns 3/185, 3/216, 3/421 and 3/713 (the last 2 related to the Pichelsdorf Bridge).
As source you post a link to a Russian page.
My knowledge of the Russian language is nil.
How good (reliable) is thar source? What do those pages tell ?
Battalion 421 - mentioned in a battle report of the 79 Rifle Corps, 30.04.1945
Battalion 713 - from a report of the 3 Shock Army's political section on psychological warfare (so to say) against the Berlin garrison.
It must be said that 3 SA was nowhere near the Pichelsdorf bridge, it occupied northern and central (Reichstag) sectors of Berlin.

There is quite a lot of information on Berlin Volkssturm and miscellaneous units of Berlin garrison in general in various Soviet documents, yet nobody put it in systematic form, as far as I can see.

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Re: An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

Post by sandeepmukherjee196 » 28 Nov 2016 13:45

Art wrote:
lutrebois wrote: You mention some, for me new/unknown Bns 3/185, 3/216, 3/421 and 3/713 (the last 2 related to the Pichelsdorf Bridge).
As source you post a link to a Russian page.
My knowledge of the Russian language is nil.
How good (reliable) is thar source? What do those pages tell ?
Battalion 421 - mentioned in a battle report of the 79 Rifle Corps, 30.04.1945
Battalion 713 - from a report of the 3 Shock Army's political section on psychological warfare (so to say) against the Berlin garrison.
It must be said that 3 SA was nowhere near the Pichelsdorf bridge, it occupied northern and central (Reichstag) sectors of Berlin.

There is quite a lot of information on Berlin Volkssturm and miscellaneous units of Berlin garrison in general in various Soviet documents, yet nobody put it in systematic form, as far as I can see.

As far as my information goes, the 79 Rifle Corps was part of the 3 SA during the Berlin offensive. In fact, personnel from the 79 RC hoisted the red flag over the Reichstag on 30th April. So .... Bn 421 couldn't possibly have been in the Pichesdorfer vicinity on 30.4

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Re: An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

Post by lutrebois » 28 Nov 2016 18:15

Hello,

In “Bloody streets” you can find:
"... the - 12 - VS-Bns encountered by the Soviet forces (Russian source Platonov) are named: 3, 16, 17, 39, 93, 103, 107, 109, 121, 205, 260 and 721...."

I think they have encountered a tad more than those 12 Bns ...
Until proven wrong, I'm hesitating to use Russian information.

Respecting the numerical sequence: Bn 3/713 would have been drafted by NSDAP-Kreis "Prenzlauer Berg - Horst Wessel".
I would suspect Spandau, Wilmersdorf or even Charlotteburg drafted Bns at the bridge site ... (i.e. high 3/2.., low 3/4..),
so Bn 3/421 - could - have been there

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Re: An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

Post by schwarzermai » 04 Jan 2017 08:43

Germanicus wrote: Volkssturm-Bataillon 27/454 (Fehleintragung)

Fehleintrag?? why?

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Re: An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

Post by Germanicus » 04 Jan 2017 09:16

Hello Uwe

If you google the following - "Volkssturm-Bataillon 27/454 (Fehleintragung)" . It clearly states this as such, in the Feldpost listing for this unit. That is why I posted the unit as such, as was indicated in the following.

http://www.axishistory.com/.../8968-fel ... 3000-43999

http://www.stampsx.com/ratgeber/stempel ... che_typ=K1


Feldpoststempel 1939-1945: 43964

30.7.1941-28.2.1942 7. Kompanie Kraftwagen-Transport-Regiment 3 Transport-Standarte Speer der Luftwaffe, dann 7. Kompanie Kraftwagen-Transport-Regiment 3 Speer der Luftwaffe,

25.10.1943 nicht verwendet,

4.4.1945 Stab und Einheit Volkssturm-Bataillon z.b.V. 454, 4.4.1945 Stab und Einheit Volkssturm-Bataillon 27/454 Fehleintragung;

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Re: An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

Post by Germanicus » 04 Jan 2017 09:50

Hello Art, lutrebois and sandeep

The actual information came from an extensive work in russian which can be located at

http://militera.lib.ru/docs/da/berlin_45/index.html

I would say it is a primary source considering the book in question is titled - Russian Archives: The Great Patriotic War
T. 15 (4-5). Battle for Berlin (the Red Army defeated Germany).


I used google chrome and google translator to source this book. The translation is as good as google can translate.

When I am researching Volkssturm-Bataillones, I do not stick to the english and german spelling to locate units. It is more helpful if you use the foreign spelling to enhance my research. For example, in Russian, I google the following фольксштурма батальонов [Volkssturm-Battalion]. I hope this helps with your questions.

The question relating to the records in Russian, came straight from the following Battle Report :-

Number 81. Battle report of chief of staff of the 79th Infantry Corps Commander of the 3rd Shock Army to storm the Reichstag
Number 0078 30 April 1945 18:00

1. The enemy with the remnants of the defeated 617, 403, 407 and 421 battalions Volkssturm continues to provide strong resistance coming parts of the body. 04/28/45, at having thrown on the aircraft in the area of ​​the Reichstag assembly SS battalion, composed of sailors, airmen, Marines choice, has a fierce resistance, with reinforced concrete dragon's teeth around the Reichstag anti-tank ditch, filled with water, barbed wire, trenches full profile with communication trenches .

All buildings on the outskirts of the Reichstag adapted for defense.

According to the testimony of the prisoner, 4/28/45, the officers collecting SS battalion was at a reception at Hitler's headquarters [in] 360 m from the Reichstag on Doroteenshtrasse.

The battalion consists of three companies, with a total of up to 900 people. The companies are divided into battle groups of 25 - 30 people, whose task to defend the individual windows, entrances to the building of the Reichstag.

The artillery of the enemy, especially air defense, at point-blank range, continuously worked on the combat formations of infantry, hindering their progress.

Enemy aviation aircraft individual led razvedpolety with simultaneous bombing.

2. 79 ck in the same part of the support of the 22-th, 23 th Brigade M-31, the 104 th, 124 th Brigade 203-mm caliber, 86 Gabr, 40 mptabr, capturing a bridgehead on the southern bank of the river. Spree 1 km north-west. Reichstag, 15:00 29/04/45, the advance units 150 and 171 cd stormed the Reichstag area. Encountering fierce resistance, leading heavy fighting for every inch of land, part of the body seized a number of adjacent buildings and reached the line 300 - 400 m north-west. Reichstag.

At 23.00, the 04/29/45, pulling artillery, after a heavy artillery attack, the second part of the body began to storm the Reichstag. Leading persistent fierce fighting, took home Himmler, part of the district Königsplatz and have come close to the building of the Reichstag.

During the night in separate groups conducted reconnaissance in the direction of the Reichstag, was purified from the enemy detached houses and cellars, pulled up high-power guns for direct fire.

At 11.00 04/30/45, after strong artillery preparation of the case began the third storming of the Reichstag and the surrounding buildings.
Driving extremely fierce fighting, breaking the anti-tank ditch, filled with water, 1/380 cn 14.00 stormed the Reichstag, the Victory Banner hoisted {40} .

At the same time in the 14.25 to the Reichstag broke into parts 674 and 756 cn 150 cd.

Fight in the Reichstag area continues.

207 cd on the night of 30/04/45, at clearing the area of ​​enemy railway east. Stadium Moabit one regiment, encountering stubborn resistance, captured the bridge. sat. Humboldt harbor and a bridgehead on the east bank.

Cn 594 for the night, leaving the west bank of the channel in the region of the bridge at Invalidenstrasse, one company took the house on the east coast.

598 cn, stepping over 594 cn, destroying some enemy groups, the morning went to the north shore of Humboldt harbor.
From 9.00 30/04/45, the regiment is concentrated in the area of 400 m south-west of Moabit prison. [122] 597 ch, acting in the second tier with 9.00 04/30/45, at centers in Zeydlitsshtrasse area.

3. The corps commander in the NP.

Chief of Staff of the 79th Infantry Corps Colonel Flyers
Russian Federation. F. 317. Op. 4306. D. 499. L. 324- 325. Original.

http://militera.lib.ru/docs/da/berlin_45/04.html

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Re: An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

Post by sandeepmukherjee196 » 04 Jan 2017 09:58

Thanks. . Mark.

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Re: An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

Post by schwarzermai » 04 Jan 2017 17:13

Hello Mark, ok, now i understand the desigantion:

Volkssturm-Bataillon z.b.V. 454 is correct

Volkssturm-Bataillon 27/454 is incorrect

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Re: An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

Post by Germanicus » 04 Jan 2017 17:19

Dear Uwe

If Volkssturm-Bataillon 27/454 is incorrect, then what of the designation in the Feldpost listing stating the Bataillon as 27/454?

Your assistance would be appreciated.

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Re: An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

Post by schwarzermai » 05 Jan 2017 08:09

Hello Mark

you mean "Fehleintrag" - that means this unitdesignation as 27/454 is wrong

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Re: An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

Post by fanatyk6 » 09 Jun 2017 22:30

Hi, does anyone knows where bataillon nr 16/352 were formed?

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Re: An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

Post by lutrebois » 10 Jun 2017 07:28

16/352; that would be a Spremberg Batl.
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Re: An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

Post by lutrebois » 02 Jul 2017 08:14

Hello friends,
In the surviving files of Verteidigungsbereich Berlin - Abschnitt Kommandeur A (Bärenfänger) is proof to be found relating to the existance of:
3/804
3/805
3/806
3/812
3/813 Btl. HUMMEL
3/815
3/817
3/885
mot 3/891
mot 3/892
mot 3/894

These are "Pankow-Weißensee" drafted units.

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Re: An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?

Post by Germanicus » 17 Jul 2017 13:42

Dear lutrebois

thank you for your excellent contribution to the Volkssturm. Your post Berlin Volkssturm...At Last! is outstanding.

I came across this on the following link on a Russian Field Map depicting the 24 - 29th April 1945 Berlin.

The Volkssturm-Bataillones noted in the Berlin map are 181, 268, 803, 813, 869 and interestingly the 16/209 Volkssturm-Bataillon. Further there is a Hitler-Jugend-Bataillon 10 km North of the Pichelsdorf Bridge!! ( viewtopic.php?f=50&t=211568&hilit=Havel )
http://radikal.ru/fp/f29490a0a21142d39de322dcac545aa0
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