Hey All:
If anyone knows the answer to this question... someone on this list will know!
What was the Table of Eqipment/Organization for an Eastern front "Panzer Armee" circa 1943 i.e.: How many Panthers, Tigers, StuG's etc. Half-tracks, Artillery?
Robert
Panzer Army TOE (In Theory)
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Panzerarmee
Hello!
There was no fixed composition of a Panzerarmee. A Panzer- or any other Armee was a formation which hosted subunits like divisions and Heerestruppen which had more or less fixed compositions.
If you want to know how the headquarter of a Panzerarmee is organized I can help you but a Panzerarmee itself can have from 0 to hundreds of tanks. That depends on the number of divisions under its command at a certain point of time.
\Christoph
There was no fixed composition of a Panzerarmee. A Panzer- or any other Armee was a formation which hosted subunits like divisions and Heerestruppen which had more or less fixed compositions.
If you want to know how the headquarter of a Panzerarmee is organized I can help you but a Panzerarmee itself can have from 0 to hundreds of tanks. That depends on the number of divisions under its command at a certain point of time.
\Christoph
Thanks!
Hey:
Thanks for clearing up that triple posting...I still have no idea how that happened!
I'm trying to formulate what a "perfect" Panzer army would/should look like. How many tanks, jagdpanzers, sp artillery half tracks etc.
Robert
Thanks for clearing up that triple posting...I still have no idea how that happened!
I'm trying to formulate what a "perfect" Panzer army would/should look like. How many tanks, jagdpanzers, sp artillery half tracks etc.
Robert
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OK
Ok! You won´t give up?
As I said there is no "perfect" Panzerarmee or even a "should be version". It was composed of units needed for the actual purpose/task of the formation. What I can do is give you a actual snapshot of a real Panzerarmee.
Let´s see. As Panzerarmeen were formed later in the war I take for example the 1.Panzerarmee on 16.Januar 1942:
1.Panzerarmee
directly attached 6.rum.Kav.Brig., 5.rum.Kav.Brig., 2/3 73.Inf.Div.
- III.A.K.(mot.) with SS-"AH" Div., 60.mot., 14.Pz.Div., 13.Pz.Div., 125.Inf.Div., 16.Pz.Div.
- XIV.A.K.(mot.) with 100.lei.Div., SS-"W"Div., slow.schn.Div.
- XXXXIX.Gebirgs-Korps with 1.Geb.Div., 4.Geb.Div., 198.Inf.Div., Tle.7.Fl.Div., ital.3.Celere-Div.
- ital.schn.Kps. with ital.52.Torino-Div., ital.9.Pasubio-Div.
So you see a mixture of all kind of units. Waffen-SS, Rumanian troops, mountain troops, italian troops plus lots of Heerstruppen which are not listed here.
If you want to see more examples have a look on my site into the OoB section and the O.K.H. reports.
Again I want to say that there is no "perfect" make up of a large headquarter formation like a Panzerarmee.
You can see typical orders with Korps in some way and of course of divisions but not of a Armee.
\Christoph
As I said there is no "perfect" Panzerarmee or even a "should be version". It was composed of units needed for the actual purpose/task of the formation. What I can do is give you a actual snapshot of a real Panzerarmee.
Let´s see. As Panzerarmeen were formed later in the war I take for example the 1.Panzerarmee on 16.Januar 1942:
1.Panzerarmee
directly attached 6.rum.Kav.Brig., 5.rum.Kav.Brig., 2/3 73.Inf.Div.
- III.A.K.(mot.) with SS-"AH" Div., 60.mot., 14.Pz.Div., 13.Pz.Div., 125.Inf.Div., 16.Pz.Div.
- XIV.A.K.(mot.) with 100.lei.Div., SS-"W"Div., slow.schn.Div.
- XXXXIX.Gebirgs-Korps with 1.Geb.Div., 4.Geb.Div., 198.Inf.Div., Tle.7.Fl.Div., ital.3.Celere-Div.
- ital.schn.Kps. with ital.52.Torino-Div., ital.9.Pasubio-Div.
So you see a mixture of all kind of units. Waffen-SS, Rumanian troops, mountain troops, italian troops plus lots of Heerstruppen which are not listed here.
If you want to see more examples have a look on my site into the OoB section and the O.K.H. reports.
Again I want to say that there is no "perfect" make up of a large headquarter formation like a Panzerarmee.
You can see typical orders with Korps in some way and of course of divisions but not of a Armee.
\Christoph