Earliest K.St.N. for Armee-Waffenschule?

[jpz4]

Does anyone know what the first K.St.N. for an Armee-Waffenschule was? I only know of the 1.6.1944 K.St.N.297.
Since there were changes in the organization in the period before that date I'm wondering if there was an earlier version or different K.St.N. used before that date......

Thanks in advance!

[schwarzermai]

Hello

maybe it helps with the date (sorry, no numbers)

Uwe

[GregSingh]

According to Tessin 1.6.1944 is the earliest for K.St.N.297

[jpz4]

Hello
maybe it helps with the date (sorry, no numbers)
Uwe

Thanks Uwe. I'll do my best to decipher what is written there. I'm always struggling with German handwriting.
The date of 12.1943 is interesting. This is already after one of the main changes I noticed in the organization. I wonder if the order from 12.1943 ultimately resulted in the 1.6.1944 version. In the mean time they may have used a temporary version, or combined specific K.St.N. numbers for specific elements.

According to Tessin 1.6.1944 is the earliest for K.St.N.297

Thank Greg. Will stop looking for earlier versions of that one, and see if other numbers were used before that date.

[schwarzermai]

Thanks Uwe. I'll do my best to decipher what is written there. I'm always struggling with German handwriting.

Hello, what part you cant read? i can translate it for you....

UWE

[jpz4]

Thanks Uwe, it's mainly the third image. Just a bit too many words I cannot read to fully understand it. German itself is not the issue, just the handwriting.

[schwarzermai]

Neue KStN für Armeewaffenschulen befohlen - in die neuen KStN sind organisch (organisatorisch) aufgenommen
a.) Lehrstab Nachrichtentruppen (gilt nicht für AOK 1 und AOK 17)
b.) Lehrstab Gasabwehr
c.) Lehrstab Bandenbekämpfung (die Lehrstäbe Bandenbekämpfung werden nur in Anlehnung an je eine Armeewaffenschule der Heeresgruppe A, Süd, Mitte, Nord und F etatisiert)

[jpz4]

Thanks Uwe! Now it all makes sense.

[jpz4]

Been almost two years, but since then I've found out there apparently were (at least) two preliminary KStN issued by the OKH. The first was issued on 15.5.43 and a second on 2.12.43. I'm currently trying to track down the first. My attempt of finding the one from December 1943 has been unsuccesful so far, but I'l keep an eye on this.

[Piet Duits]

It's on NARA T78 R398, folder H1-39. pages 213-217.
You can find it here: http://sturmpanzer.com/Default.aspx?tab ... em=3&sec=0

[jpz4]

Thanks Piet. One more piece of the puzzle!

That only leaves the version from May 1943. I'll keep looking.

Niels

[KStN201]

Found the version from May 1943. The documents are dated 18 May rather than 15 May.

[jpz4]

Found the version from May 1943. The documents are dated 18 May rather than 15 May.

Thanks David, very useful.
Do you also have the document this 2-page attachment belongs to?

[KStN201]

Find the document attached.

The images are from NARA roll T312 R1634 (AA Narva).

[jpz4]

Awsome. Thanks a lot David.