Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

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Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 18 Jul 2017 17:29

Can anyone with an exhaustive set of Orders of Battle tell me in which wehrkreis Fedgendarmerietrupp 806 was raised?

Many thanks for any assistance,

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Re: Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

Post by schwarzermai » 19 Jul 2017 10:08

hello Sid, download the "Frontnachweiser" - think you'll find the WK there for each unit

http://www.sturmpanzer.com/Default.aspx ... em=3&sec=0

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Re: Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 19 Jul 2017 10:56

Hi Uwe,

Many thanks. Great resources. I found the answer to my question in minutes - WKVI!

Do you know anything about where to find information on Grenzschutz units?

In appreciation,

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Re: Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

Post by Christoph Awender » 21 Jul 2017 05:36

Hello Sid,

Which Grenzschutz units exactly?

/Christoph

Grenzschutz-Abschnitts-Kommando:
15 -WK.I
9 - WK.VI
10 - WK.XVIII
20 - WK.XVIII

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Re: Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 22 Jul 2017 10:58

Hi Christoph,

I am looking for the background to a wartime creation - a "GrenzPolizei-Kommissariat" that was formed in the the French Ariege Department, probably in 1943, to patrol the central Pyreneean mountain range between France, Andorra and Spain in search of Allied escapers. The unit was captured by the Maquis at Foix on 19 August 1944. Unfortunately I have no other details.

The local French were under the impression that the unit was composed of Austrians, and it is this I would like to test by discovering its wehrkreis of origin.

I suspect there may have been at least two other such Grenzpolizei units in the eastern and western Pyrenees, as well.

Many thanks for any help you can give,

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Re: Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

Post by Christoph Awender » 25 Jul 2017 05:18

Hello,

These were part of the SD. I am trying to find more info.

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Re: Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 25 Jul 2017 16:27

Hi Christoph,

Very interesting if they are SD, as it presumably means that existing Reich frontier guard units were not employed in the Pyrenees.

Pyrénées-Orientales is, I think, immediately to the east of Ariège.

If you scroll down the following link about a quarter of the way down the page and there is a list of "douanes" posts in Ariege in 1943: http://www.histariege.com/resisthist09.htm

I think these "douanes" are probably the same as the "grenzschutz" I am looking for. However, their origin is not mentioned.

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Re: Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

Post by CNE503 » 25 Jul 2017 16:51

Hello Sid,

Douanes are the French customs police (German Zoll). At this time, it was a militarized corps which enforced the existing custom taxes and forbade illegal importations in France.

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Re: Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 25 Jul 2017 16:58

Hi Loic,

I have found the following in the 6th Part of a series of articles entitled “Les Troupes de l’Est sur le Front Occidental, 1944-45” by Paul Gaujac in Armes Militaria No.217 (Août 2003).

“Le PC régimentaire (of Freiwilligen Stamm-Rgt 1) quitte Albi le 19 août pour rejoindre Castres, investi par les FFI du Tarn et ou de nombreux volontaires profitent de la situation pour deserter. De son côté, le Btl.I/370 part de Cahors dans une colonne de 1,800 hommes et, a marche forcée, atteint les abords de Montpelier le 26. Pilfant et saccageant sur son passage, la “colonne des Mongols” traverse Quissac lendemain, en route vers l’Ardeche et Lyon. Quant aux elements isolés dans le Sud de la France de la reste de la division, ils sont aneantis.”

Unless I/370 battalion was split, it can't have been in Gard and Ariège at the same time. Any ideas?

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Re: Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

Post by CNE503 » 25 Jul 2017 20:16

Montpellier is in the department of Hérault, not Gard. Even if it is not so far away...
Anyway, to go from Cahors (in the department of Lot) to Montpellier in Hérault, you pass through Tarn-et-Garonne (capital city: Montauban), then Tarn (capital city: Castres) then Hérault by Béziers and Sète. An alternative way is passing by Aveyron (capital city: Rodez) and Gard, or the southern way, much longer, by Toulouse, Carcassonne and Narbonne, but in no way you have to go in Ariège.

I don't know the way chosen by the I./370, but if it was in Quissac (Gard) the day after passing by Montpellier, it was probably the shortest way by Caussade, Gaillac, Albi, Saint-Affrique and Lodève (my family comes from this area). On August 27th, 1944, it advanced northeastwards to join the "Rhone corridor" ("le couloir" rhodanien or "le sillon rhodanien"). It probably tried to take by Alès, Privas, Valence.
In my opinion, it couldn't be the I./370 that operated in Ariège, or only a fraction of it (a company?).

Paul Gaujac is a retired French army colonel whose articles and books are very well considered here in France.

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Re: Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 26 Jul 2017 12:24

Hi CNE305,

I referred to Gard because Quissac is there. (I had the misfortune of being directed by an early Satnav down its back streets about 20 years ago while on my way from Nimes to Sauve. We ended in a lane with high stone walls on either side and couldn't back up because we had folded our wing mirrors in because it was so narrow. Nor could we open our doors for the same reason. We had to climb out by exiting through the boot (trunk). Happy days!)

I checked Gaujac out and he has a number of interesting books to his name. If Gaujac is right, then the identity of the Ost Battalion that surrendered in Ariege is still a mystery.

With regard to the identity of the "douanes", p.167 of the book Passeurs, Fugitifs et Espions says, "Les Allemands on déployé dans le département de l'Ariège...... les effectifs suivants: 20 douaniers allemands se sont intstallés à Tarascon, 22 à l'Hospitalet, 14 aux Cabannes, etc., etc." The list continues with most of the same posts and strengths mentioned in the link I gave above.

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Re: Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

Post by CNE503 » 27 Jul 2017 09:51

Hello Sid,

According to NARA T78 R413 files 0385 and 0386, on June 9th, 1944, the following eastern units were deployed in occupied France:
- LXXX. Armeekorps, 1. Armee: Kosaken-Regiment 360, with two attached battalions (I./360 and II./360 also known as Kosaken-Bataillone 622 and 623), which was under 708. Infanterie Division command;
- under 19. Armee direct command: Pionier Bataillon (russische) 601;
- IV. Luftwaffen-Feldkorps, 19. Armee: Ost-Bataillone (russischen) 666 and 681, under 271. and 277. Infanterie Divisionen command;
- Gruppe "Kniess", 19. Armee: Ost-Bataillone (russischen) 663 and 665 (I. and III./Grenadier Regiment 759 of 338. Infanterie Division);
- LXII. Reservekorps, 19. Armee: Ost-Bataillone II./9 (Armenian, aka IV./Grenadier Regiment 917), I./198 (Armenian, aka IV./Grenadier Regiment 918), 807 (Azerbaidjanese, aka IV./Grenadier Regiment 765) the three of them under 242. Infanterie Division, and Ost-Bataillon 661 (Russian, aka IV./Reserve-Grenadier Regiment 239 of 148. Reserve Division);
- Militärbefehlshaber Frankreich: Ost-Bataillone (russischen) 406, 615, 654 and 680, (georgische) 799, (Wolgafinnische) 837 and (turkestanische) 781 (the last one was handwritten);
- Militärbefehlshaber Belgien und Nordfrankreich: Ost-Bataillone (russischen) 600 and 669, (Wolgatatarische) 827;
- under Chef der Heeresrüstung und Befehlshaber des Ersatzheeres in Oberbefehlshaber West area: Freiwilligen-Stamm Division.

This last division war organized with:
- Freiwilligen-Stamm Regiment 1:
--- Stab georgische Legion, georgische Stamm-Bataillon, georgischen Feld-Bataillone I./9 and II./4, georgische Infanterie Bataillon 824;
--- Stab Nordkaukasische Legion, Nordkaukasische Stamm-Bataillon, Nordkaukasische Infanterie-Bataillon 836;
--- Stab Turkestanische Legion, two turkestanische Stamm-Bataillone, turkestanischen Feld-Bataillone I./295 and I./370, turkestanischen Infanterie Bataillone 783 and 784;
- Freiwilligen-Stamm Regiment 2:
--- Stab Armenische Legion, armenische Stamm-Bataillon, armenischen Infanterie-Bataillone 810 and 815;
--- Stab Aserbaidjanische Legion, aserbaidjanische Stamm-Bataillon, aserbaidjanischen Feld-Bataillone II./Bergm. (?), I./73, I./111, aserbaidjanischen Infanterie Bataillone 804 and 806;
--- Stab Wolgatatarische Legion, wolgatatarische Stamm-Bataillon;
- Freiwilligen-Stamm Regiment 3 (ukrainische):
--- no subordinated unit;
- Freiwilligen-Stamm Regiment 4 (russische):
--- russische Ausbildungsbataillon, russische Ersatz-Bataillon, russische Genesenden-Bataillon, russische Ausbildungsschwadron, russische Ausbildungsbatterie;
- Freiwilligen-Stamm Regiment 5 (Kosaken):
--- Stab Kosaken-Regiment, Kosaken-Lehr-Abteilung, Kosaken-Reiter-und-Ersatz-Abteilung, Kosaken-Genesenden-Abteilung;
--- Kosaken-Bataillone I./5, II./5, I./454, II./454, IV./454, Kosaken-Reiter-Schwadronen 4.Gebirgs-Division, 1./82, 510 and 583.

I guess that our unit was one of these.

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Re: Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

Post by Puck » 24 Sep 2023 01:52

Christoph Awender wrote:
25 Jul 2017 05:18
Hello,
These were part of the SD. I am trying to find more info.
/Christoph
Kriminalassistent/SS-Oscha Ottmar-Wilhelm Gstettner (*02.10.1916 Wien)
01.1935 SS-VT-Standarte "Deutschland"
01.1939 Stapoleitstelle Wien - Kraftfahrer, then Kriminalassistent
10.1941 GPP Le Perthus
07.1943 head GPP Le Perthus
08.1944 EInsatzkommando zbV 21 Tanzmann
11.1944 GPP Björnfell (KdS Narvik)
01.1945 head GPP Björnfell

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Re: Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

Post by Puck » 24 Sep 2023 16:42

Christoph Awender wrote:
25 Jul 2017 05:18
Hello,

These were part of the SD. I am trying to find more info.

/Christoph
Staffelhauptscharführer/KS Emerich Pfleger (*16.12.1906 St.Gotthard)
00.1929 Kripo Wien
05.1943 at BdS Frankreich
05.1943 at KdS Montpellier
05.1943 Leiter GPP Cerbere
08.1944 at GPK Perpignan
08.1944 Einsatzkommando zbV 21
11.1945 at KdS Narvik

most like identical with ??? Pfleger (Kripoleitstelle Wien), in SD-BBl 10.06.1944 promoted to KK
-- if he didn't had a brother --

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Re: Wehrkreis of origin for Feldgendarmerietruppe 806?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 24 Sep 2023 18:03

Hi CNE503,

I see I have done you a disservice by not acknowledging your extremely helpful post. I offer my very belated thanks and apology.

I will look through it now.

In appreciation,

Sid.

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