GregSingh wrote:13-years old thread resurrected!
Khimki were mentioned in almost every post-WWII book about this subject, but I've never seen any primary source confirming it.
Are Khimki now confirmed by Russian or German primary sources?
Last time I checked, German primary sources mentioned Krasnaya Polyana and Lobnya train station fully controlled in late November 1941.
There is a German 1941 sketch map showing reconnaissance patrols reaching Kyazma river, south of Krasnaya Polyana, half way to Khimki.
Are stories appearing on Russian web sites about "Battle of Khimki bridge" in October(!) 1941 fairy tales?
Maybe cross referencing with a Russian source would help? After all if the Germans really reached Khimki at the doorsteps of Moscow, tthe Russians too would doubtless take this seriously and do something about it. And if they did something about it then that would be recorded somewhere. We have heard about the defences of the Soviet 16th Army at Khimki but Zhukov's planning for the upcoming counteroffensive seems to have added in the 20th Army in this sector.
The following are excerpts from the Zhukov papers:
Директива штаба Западного фронта командующему 1-й ударной армией № 0021 от 2 декабря 1941 г. о переходе в наступление на клинском направлении
КОМАНДАРМУ 1-й УДАРНОЙ КУЗНЕЦОВУ
Комфронтом приказал: с утра 2.12 всеми силами армии перейти с решительное наступление в общем направлении Деденево, Федоровка, южная окраина Клин.
Ближайшая задача - 2.12 освободить из окружения группу войск генерала Захарова в районе Федоровка, Каменка.
Дальнейшая задача - наступать в направлении Клин и во взаимодействии с 30-й армией справа и 20-й армией слева разбить клинско-солнечногорскую группу противника.
20-я армия наносит удар в направлении Химки, Солнечногорск.
Разгранлиния с ней - Рахманово, Черная, Каменка, Вертлинское, Мисарево (все исключительно для 1-й ударной армии).
Получение и исполнение донести.
Начальник штаба фронта
ЦАМО, ф. 208, оп. 2513, д. 213, л. 455. Подлинник.
Директива штаба Западного фронта командующему 20-й армией № 0023 от 2 декабря 1941 г. о переходе в наступление на солнечногорском направлении
КОМАНДАРМУ 20 ВЛАСОВУ
Копия: КОМАНДАРМУ 16 РОКОССОВСКОМУ
Карта 100 000
2.12.41 г. 2.00
1. Дополнительно включить с 18 часов 2.12 в состав 20-й армии войска, ведущие бой на фронте - 7 гв. сд, 282 сп, 145, 24, 31-ю танковые бригады. Командарму 16 передать указанные части командарму 20.
2. Продолжая 2.12 выполнять частную операцию, с 7 часов 3.12 перейти в решительное наступление всеми силами армии в общем направлении Химки, Солнечногорск.
Ближайшая задача 20-й армии - разгромить в течение 3-6* декабря противника и овладеть Солнечногорск обходом с юго-запада и севера.
3. 2.12 провести подготовку к наступлению - организовать управление войсками, занять исходное положение, провести разведку всех видов, материально обеспечить войска для боя всем необходимым.
4. Справа - 1-я ударная армия наступает в направлении Деденево, Клин. Разгранлиния с ней - Рахманово, Черная, Каменка, Вертлинское, Мисарово.
Слева - 16-я армия будет наступать в западном направлении. Разгранлиния с ней - Супонево, Лосиноостровская, Краснооктябрьский, Верескино, Чашниково, Поварово, Пятница, Коренька.
5. С директивой ознакомить только Военный совет и начальника штаба. Исполнителям давать задания, вытекающие из настоящей директивы.
6. Получение подтвердить.
Directive of Staff of the Western Front commander of the 1st Shock Army number 0021 of 2 December 1941 on the transition to the offensive on Klin direction
Army Commander 1st SHOCK Kuznetsov
Cc: chief of staff
Number 0021 / op
Front Commander ordered: 2.12 in the morning all the army forces go to a decisive offensive in the general direction Dedenevo, Fedorovka, southern outskirts of Klin.
The immediate task - to release 2.12 of the environment group the troops of General Zakharov in Fedorovka area, Kamenka.
A further task - to advance in the direction of the wedge, and in conjunction with the 30th Army on the right and the 20th army left to break Klin-Solnechnogorsk enemy group.
20th Army strikes in the direction of Khimki, Solnechnogorsk.
Razgranliniya it - Rakhmanov, Black, Kamenka, Vertlinskoe, Misarevo (all exclusively for the 1st Shock Army).
Preparation and execution to deliver.
Chief of Staff of the Front
CAMD, p. 208, op. 2513, d. 213, l. 455. Original.
Directive of Staff of the Western Front commander of the 20th army number 0023 of 2 December 1941 on the transition to the offensive in the direction of Solnechnogorsk
20 commanders VLASOV
Cc: 16 commanders Rokossovsky
CA chief of staff
Map 100 000
12/02/41 2.00 g
Front Commander ordered :
1. Add the 2.12 to the 18 hours of the 20 th Army troops leading the fight at the front - 7 Guards. sd, sp 282, 145, 24, 31 Panzer Brigade. 16 commanders of the army commander to transfer these 20.
2. Continuing to perform individual operations 2.12, 3.12 to 7:00 to go in the decisive attack all military forces in the general direction of Khimki, Solnechnogorsk.
The immediate task of the 20th Army - to defeat within 3-6 On December the enemy and seize Solnechnogorsk detour from the south-west and north.
3. 2.12 to prepare for the offensive - to organize command and control, to take a starting position, to carry out the exploration of all kinds of material to provide troops to fight with everything necessary.
4. On the right - 1st Shock Army comes in the direction Dedenevo Wedge. Razgranliniya it - Rakhmanov, Black, Kamenka, Vertlinskoe, Misarovo.
On the left - the 16th Army will advance to the west. Razgranliniya it - Suponevo, Losinoostrovskaya, Krasnooktyabrsky, Vereskino, Chashnikovo, Povarovo, Friday, Koren'kov.
5. Directive to introduce only the Military Council and Chief of Staff. Singer giving tasks arising from this Directive.
6. Getting to confirm.
So there certainly was major action in the Khimki area. And Khimki is no doubt close to the borders of Moscow, a few KMs (8 KM ?), as the crow flies, as per this battle map in Russian. Though the driving distance today via motorable roads is upwards of 20 Km I am told.
Now lets see if we can find anything from the German side about the exploits of the 62 Panzer Pionier battailon or a narrative combining both versions, German and Russian :
( Excerpts from : Главная » Книги » Kershaw Robert » War Without Garlands: Operation Barbarossa 1941-1942 » Страница 126)
"....The closest finger niggling at the Russian defences on the outskirts of the city was the 2nd (Vienna) Panzer Division. Its antitank battalion was becoming increasingly dismayed at the ineffectiveness of its 37mm guns against the increasing numbers of Soviet T-34s its battle groups were encountering as they advanced south-eastwards along the Solnechnogorsk–Moscow road. A lucky shot striking the machine gun aperture of a T-34 from only 10m during an attack at Turicina had set one tank ablaze. It suicidally carried on to crush its 37mm assailant. At Strelino four English ‘Matilda’ tanks were despatched by Panzer Regiment 3. They had all been recently manufactured and had ‘September 1941’ stamped on their engine plates – an indication of Allied resolve and urgency to stem the Axis advance. On 28 November American tank types were knocked out. As the Kampfgruppe ‘Decker’ rolled into Oserezkoje on 1 December soldiers remarked on the appearance of Moscow Omnibus line stops. A combat group of Panzers, infantry, artillery and engineers commanded by Oberst Rodt of the 304th Regiment occupied the three villages of Krassnaya Polyana, Putschki and Katjuschki on 30 November. Another battalion (the IInd) from the same regiment under Major Reichmann secured Gorki, nearby. A small salient had been driven into the area of Sixteenth Soviet Army, 17km from the outskirts of Moscow and only 27km from the Kremlin.(8)
They had been preceded, unknown to themselves, the previous day by motorcycle patrols from Panzer Pionier Battalion 62. Temperatures had now risen slightly to 0°C, which produced light wet snow and patchy fog. Utilising these conditions, General Hoepner commanding Panzergruppe 4 detached these motorcyclists from 2nd Panzer Division and ordered them forward to raid the railway station at Lobnya and conduct a fighting reconnaissance south of it. In one of those bizarre episodes of war, as the Russians fell back from Solnechnogorsk and the 2nd Panzer Division pushed its battle groups south-eastwards in search of an unopposed route into Moscow, the motorcycle raid found it. Hunched behind their BMWs and machine-gun-mounted sidecars, the force thrust forward, encountering no opposition until it reached Khimki, a small river port in the north-west suburbs of Moscow. They were within 8km of the city and 20km of the Kremlin, only a short drive away, a distance that could be covered in minutes. Panic ensued among the startled local inhabitants. ‘The Germans are in Khimki!’ was the cry. The motorcycle detachment, having had no substantial contact with Soviet troops, feeling vulnerable at the depth of their incursion and seeing the obvious agitation they had caused, turned back.
They needed to report this unopposed thoroughfare. Support would not be at hand if they drove into resistance and, feeling over-extended, they retraced their route. Incredibly the unit drove back through the German lines without a shot being fired.(9)
Not surprisingly a flurry of activity resulted on the Russian side. Soviet General Konstantin Rokossovsky, whose Sixteenth Army was located just west of Moscow, received an unwelcome reminder of Stalin’s resolve. He said:
‘Comrade Stalin called me during the night. The situation was pretty difficult and our units had already fallen back in a number of areas. We knew that the Commander-in-Chief would give us such a dressing down we would feel sick. So I picked up the receiver with the special line with some trepidation. He asked me one question “Are you aware, comrade Rokossovsky, that the enemy has occupied Krassnaya Polyana, and do you realise that if Krassnaya Polyana is occupied it means that the Germans can bombard any part of the city of Moscow?”’(10)"
Battle map of the salients closest to Moscow
So Khimki it was ? Unless there emerge other claims of German troops closer to Moscow?
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