An SS unit in the L. Armeekorps?

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An SS unit in the L. Armeekorps?

Post by Ivan Ž. » 15 Jun 2018 22:14

A while ago, I posted this symbol here https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic ... 1#p1966991 but it wasn't identified.

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The photo was taken in Novi Sad (Yugoslavia) in April 1941 (Balkanfeldzug). The SS units participating in the invasion were the LSSAH and the "Reich" Division, both of which had different insignia, of course.

According to http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/ it's the insignia of the L. Armeekorps.
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The licence plate number (76628) is unfortunately missing in the list from the same site.
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The L. Armeekorps did participate in the Balkans invasion (as reserve). But I've never heard of an SS unit attached to it?

Any info is most welcome.
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Re: An SS unit in the L. Armeekorps?

Post by j keenan » 16 Jun 2018 14:17

It looks like 84 76628 rather than SS 76628 ?

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Re: An SS unit in the L. Armeekorps?

Post by CNE503 » 16 Jun 2018 14:41

No, the first two signs are letters: WH (pour Wehrmacht-Heer), WL (Wehrmacht-Luftwaffe), WM (Wehrmacht-Marine) and SS.
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Post by Ivan Ž. » 16 Jun 2018 14:48

The number is perhaps better visible if streched:

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Post by genstab » 17 Jun 2018 17:19

According to the schematische Kriegsgliederungen from Die GeheimenTagesberichte, the SS-Polizei-Division was attached to
L. Armeekorps from mid August 1941 (volume 1) to mid February 1942 (volume 2). in late February it moved to I. Armeekorps.
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Post by Ivan Ž. » 17 Jun 2018 17:57

Thanks, Bill, I was aware of the SS-Pol.Div. being attached to the corps in the 2nd half of 1941.

But was there an SS unit attached to the corps in the 1st half of the same year, around April?

Which SS unit(s) got licence plate numbers 76601-76650?

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Post by DirkAH » 17 Jun 2018 22:01

Hello!

SS-76601 and SS-76602 belonged to Stab I./SS-Pz.Gren.Brig. 51 in August 1944. It's interesting that SS-76628 is numbered 8 besides the tactical marking. SS-76632 #12 and SS-76633 #13 were sold on Ebay a few years ago. So it seems that SS-76628 to SS-76633 were numbered 8 to 13. That doesn't help you with your unit search but anyway. :milsmile:
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Post by Ivan Ž. » 17 Jun 2018 22:26

Hello, Dirk

Thank you for the info, although it might not seem too useful now, perhaps it will be in the future. It's always good to know more licence plate numbers and to whom they belonged. Did you save the SS-76632 #12 and SS-76633 #13 photos / any more info on them?

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Post by DirkAH » 17 Jun 2018 22:45

Hello!

Probably, but on a different hard drive that's out of my reach until August.
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Post by genstab » 17 Jun 2018 23:23

The Polizei Division was in XXXXIX Geb. AK in the 15.1.41, then in Hoh. Kdo LIX in the 10.2.41 Kgl, and 25.2 Kgl. It moved to Hoh. Kdo XXXXV
in the 12-3-41 Kgl, was still there on 27. 3.41, 5.4.41, 18.4.41, 23.4.41and 11.5.41 then in 1st Armee Reserve 28.5.41, back under Hoh. Kdo XXXXV on 27-5-41. 5.6.41, 14.6.41 and on 22-6-41 was in L AK in Hgr. Nord Reserve.
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Re: An SS unit in the L. Armeekorps?

Post by GregSingh » 18 Jun 2018 04:58

Wasn't Hoh. Kdo XXXXV in France (together with SS-Polizei-Division) in April 1941?
Not much chance to show up near Novi Sad.

If the photo really shows Novi Sad area, perhaps the only possibility is "Das Reich"?
According to archive reports it was entrusted with occupation duties in Vojvodina after 15th of April, covering large area between Tisa, Danube, Hungarian and Romanian border. The issue is Novi Sad was 20km to the west of Tisa (under Hungarian occupation).
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Re: An SS unit in the L. Armeekorps?

Post by Ivan Ž. » 18 Jun 2018 10:58

Hello, Greg

The photo was undoubtedly taken in Novi Sad (I know the exact location, I often ride my bicycle there) and the only logical possibility does seem to be the "Reich" Division, or, of course, an SS-KB unit attached to it (the LSSAH was at the time already in Greece). However, the licence plate number (SS-76628) and the insignia (L. Armeekorps apparently) do not match "Reich", LSSAH, or SS-KB units.

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Re: An SS unit in the L. Armeekorps?

Post by CNE503 » 18 Jun 2018 13:20

What is the tactical Zeichen on the other side of the car? It looks like an infantry unit with a kind of esstsett or a B aside, don't it?
Maybe a SS vehicle reversed to a Heer unit of the L. Armeekorps that, owing to short delays, wasn't able to change its plate?

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Re: An SS unit in the L. Armeekorps?

Post by Ivan Ž. » 18 Jun 2018 13:31

The tactical marking has been discussed here https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic ... 8&start=15

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Leo Niehorster wrote:The small circle indictes a unit of the motor transport arm.
The two diagonal lines indicate a trains (Tross) unit of a company.
The "8" indicates the superior company's number.
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Re: An SS unit in the L. Armeekorps?

Post by GregSingh » 19 Jun 2018 00:49

The photo was undoubtedly taken in Novi Sad
Disappointing reply, Ivan! :D :D
I was hoping it's not Novi Sad.

L AK and 294.ID vehicles presence near this town does not have much sense!
294.ID was on occupational duties around Nis at that time.
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