Panzerjäger-Abteilung 33 Africa and Italy

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Panzerjäger-Abteilung 33 Africa and Italy

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Post by john999 » 04 Jul 2018, 09:27

Hi all! I'm looking for info about armament of Panzerjäger-Abteilung 33 with 15. Panzer-Division in Africa and later with 15. Panzergrenadier-Division in Italy!
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Post by David W » 04 Jul 2018, 11:40

Can you be more specific as to what you require please John?
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Post by john999 » 04 Jul 2018, 14:37

Sure David. How was equipped each company of the Panzerjäger-Abteilung 33? I mean, did they have stugs, self propelled guns, at guns?
Because i'm studying a soldbuch of a soldier who fought in Africa and Italy with 1./Panzerjäger-Abteilung 33
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Post by David W » 04 Jul 2018, 14:48

Here's what I've got on North Africa in the first 18 months or so.

Arrives in Tripoli @ 01/04/41. With 1st, 2nd & 3rd Kompanies. 11x 50mm PaK, 6x L/mg Each.

Reinforced; 6x 7.62Cm(r.) @ 10/03/42. 6x Marder III after 16/04/42 (prob July) 9x 50mm PaK @ 01/05/42. 15x Marder III, 3x PzIB @ 01/09/42.

3rd Kompanie departs 14/08/42 to form 190th PzJag Abt.

I hope that little bit helps as a starter.

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Post by Hoover » 22 Jul 2018, 17:23

Is it possible that the 15. PzGrenDiv in Sizily didn´t have the PzJgAbt 33 at hand? I can´t find it in the lists fir Sicily but for Italy.
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Post by Urmel » 13 Aug 2018, 06:16

David W wrote: ↑
04 Jul 2018, 14:48
 Here's what I've got on North Africa in the first 18 months or so.

Arrives in Tripoli @ 01/04/41. With 1st, 2nd & 3rd Kompanies. 11x 50mm PaK, 6x L/mg Each.
Hmmm... In September I have them with staff, signals section, 3 coys with 6x 50mm PAK and 6x lMG each, as well as a platoon of sPzB42 and additional 10x sPzB42

Fully motorised.
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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Post by David W » 13 Aug 2018, 10:00

September of 1941 or 1942?

Excellent info, thanks.
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Post by David W » 04 Sep 2018, 07:23

Hi Urmel.

Was the September in your last post of 1941?
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Post by Urmel » 04 Sep 2018, 07:30

Yep
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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Post by Urmel » 04 Sep 2018, 08:27

Check also here.

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=233798&start=15

I can have a look for the loading lists for 15.PD tonight.
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

The CRUSADER Project - The Winter Battle 1941/42
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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 04 Sep 2018, 10:24

One possible explanation for the reduction of each company to a single platoon of Pak 38's might be that the battalion also provided guns to protect Rommel's HQ, although I can't give you a date for the start of that.
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Post by Urmel » 05 Sep 2018, 02:58

I doubt it would have been that early.
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

The CRUSADER Project - The Winter Battle 1941/42
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Post by David W » 05 Sep 2018, 07:21

Combat losses?
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