Schematische Kriegsgliederung, 22.6.1941
Schematische Kriegsgliederung, 22.6.1941
Hello,
Does anyone know in what source exactly I can find this order of battle (Schematische Kriegsgliederung, Stand: B-Tag 1941 [22.6.1941] "Barbarossa", OKH GenStdH./Op.Abt.[III] Prüf-Nr.15801)? I have it yet but I don't where it came from and I need to quote the exact source, so if someone knows what NARA roll it belongs (for instance), it would be great to have the information.
Thank you.
Regards,
CNE503
Does anyone know in what source exactly I can find this order of battle (Schematische Kriegsgliederung, Stand: B-Tag 1941 [22.6.1941] "Barbarossa", OKH GenStdH./Op.Abt.[III] Prüf-Nr.15801)? I have it yet but I don't where it came from and I need to quote the exact source, so if someone knows what NARA roll it belongs (for instance), it would be great to have the information.
Thank you.
Regards,
CNE503
"Sicut Aquila" / "Ils s'instruisent pour vaincre" / "par l'exemple, le coeur et la raison" / "Labor Omnia Vincit"
Re: Schematische Kriegsgliederung, 22.6.1941
It is in T78 R708, although that one is listed as GenStdH Op.Abt.III/Prüf-Nr.15759.
Niels
Niels
Re: Schematische Kriegsgliederung, 22.6.1941
Hello Niels,
Have you the files numbers too?
Thank you!
CNE503
Have you the files numbers too?
Thank you!
CNE503
"Sicut Aquila" / "Ils s'instruisent pour vaincre" / "par l'exemple, le coeur et la raison" / "Labor Omnia Vincit"
Re: Schematische Kriegsgliederung, 22.6.1941
I don't think there are any frame numbers. My copy doesn't show any and the data sheet says: "Frame No(s).: None (ca. 1-402)"
The folder itself is H 22/337a. If rolls have no frame numbers I typically add the folder number to make it easier for people to look up.
The folder itself is H 22/337a. If rolls have no frame numbers I typically add the folder number to make it easier for people to look up.
Re: Schematische Kriegsgliederung, 22.6.1941
It's perfect, thank you!
CNE503
CNE503
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Re: Schematische Kriegsgliederung, 22.6.1941
Hi CNE503,
There is also a copy on Roll 336 (the T-78 series), frame numbers 6292437 - 6292474. The OKH attribution is: OKH, Generalstab des Heeres, Operationsabteilung III, H 22/214. This is the copy I have.
best regards, Bill
There is also a copy on Roll 336 (the T-78 series), frame numbers 6292437 - 6292474. The OKH attribution is: OKH, Generalstab des Heeres, Operationsabteilung III, H 22/214. This is the copy I have.
best regards, Bill
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Re: Schematische Kriegsgliederung, 22.6.1941
Since I am not sure which one you mean, I will indicate the main The Bundesarchiv-Militäracrhiv references:
RHD 2/435D
“Kriegsgliederung ‘Barbarossa’ (B-Tag) – 18.06.1941”
OKH/GenStdH/OpAbt (III)/Nr. 15801 gK, dated 18.06.1941
RHD 2/436
“Gliedrung und Stellenbesetzung des Feldheeres (B-Tag)”
OKH/GenStdH/OpAbt (III)/Nr. 15790 gK, dated 21.06.1941
RHD 18/55
“Kriegsgliederung des Feldheeres, Stand 15.05.1941”
RHD 18/71
“Kriegsgliederung des Feldheeres, 15.05.1941 bis März 1942”
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Leo
RHD 2/435D
“Kriegsgliederung ‘Barbarossa’ (B-Tag) – 18.06.1941”
OKH/GenStdH/OpAbt (III)/Nr. 15801 gK, dated 18.06.1941
RHD 2/436
“Gliedrung und Stellenbesetzung des Feldheeres (B-Tag)”
OKH/GenStdH/OpAbt (III)/Nr. 15790 gK, dated 21.06.1941
RHD 18/55
“Kriegsgliederung des Feldheeres, Stand 15.05.1941”
RHD 18/71
“Kriegsgliederung des Feldheeres, 15.05.1941 bis März 1942”
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Leo
Re: Schematische Kriegsgliederung, 22.6.1941
Bill, thank you, that's probably this one.
Leo, the Schematische Kriegsgliederung I refer to is attached.
Regards,
CNE503
Leo, the Schematische Kriegsgliederung I refer to is attached.
Regards,
CNE503
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Re: Schematische Kriegsgliederung, 22.6.1941
Hi all,
Just for reference mine is the one dated 18.6.41.
The item number, H 22/214, is the one provided by the US National Archives.
I did not know there were so many different "dated" versions!
best regards, Bill
Just for reference mine is the one dated 18.6.41.
The item number, H 22/214, is the one provided by the US National Archives.
I did not know there were so many different "dated" versions!
best regards, Bill
Re: Schematische Kriegsgliederung, 22.6.1941
Here's the version I was referring to:
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Re: Schematische Kriegsgliederung, 22.6.1941
The one CNE503 referred to is
RHD 2/435D
“Kriegsgliederung ‘Barbarossa’ (B-Tag) – 18.06.1941”
OKH/GenStdH/OpAbt (III)/Nr. 15801 gK, dated 18.06.1941
The map thereto is found in RH2/435 K-1.
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Leo
RHD 2/435D
“Kriegsgliederung ‘Barbarossa’ (B-Tag) – 18.06.1941”
OKH/GenStdH/OpAbt (III)/Nr. 15801 gK, dated 18.06.1941
The map thereto is found in RH2/435 K-1.
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Leo