Schematische Kriegsgliederung, 22.6.1941

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Schematische Kriegsgliederung, 22.6.1941

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Post by CNE503 » 29 May 2019, 09:33

Hello,

Does anyone know in what source exactly I can find this order of battle (Schematische Kriegsgliederung, Stand: B-Tag 1941 [22.6.1941] "Barbarossa", OKH GenStdH./Op.Abt.[III] Prüf-Nr.15801)? I have it yet but I don't where it came from and I need to quote the exact source, so if someone knows what NARA roll it belongs (for instance), it would be great to have the information.

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Post by jpz4 » 29 May 2019, 11:26

It is in T78 R708, although that one is listed as GenStdH Op.Abt.III/Prüf-Nr.15759.

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Post by CNE503 » 29 May 2019, 11:36

Hello Niels,

Have you the files numbers too?
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Post by jpz4 » 29 May 2019, 13:28

I don't think there are any frame numbers. My copy doesn't show any and the data sheet says: "Frame No(s).: None (ca. 1-402)"

The folder itself is H 22/337a. If rolls have no frame numbers I typically add the folder number to make it easier for people to look up.

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Post by CNE503 » 29 May 2019, 14:14

It's perfect, thank you!
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Post by William Russ » 29 May 2019, 23:44

Hi CNE503,
There is also a copy on Roll 336 (the T-78 series), frame numbers 6292437 - 6292474. The OKH attribution is: OKH, Generalstab des Heeres, Operationsabteilung III, H 22/214. This is the copy I have.

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Post by Leo Niehorster » 30 May 2019, 07:30

Since I am not sure which one you mean, I will indicate the main The Bundesarchiv-Militäracrhiv references:

RHD 2/435D
“Kriegsgliederung ‘Barbarossa’ (B-Tag) – 18.06.1941”
OKH/GenStdH/OpAbt (III)/Nr. 15801 gK, dated 18.06.1941

RHD 2/436
“Gliedrung und Stellenbesetzung des Feldheeres (B-Tag)”
OKH/GenStdH/OpAbt (III)/Nr. 15790 gK, dated 21.06.1941

RHD 18/55
“Kriegsgliederung des Feldheeres, Stand 15.05.1941”

RHD 18/71
“Kriegsgliederung des Feldheeres, 15.05.1941 bis März 1942”

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Post by CNE503 » 30 May 2019, 07:52

Bill, thank you, that's probably this one.
Leo, the Schematische Kriegsgliederung I refer to is attached.

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Post by William Russ » 30 May 2019, 14:14

Hi all,
Just for reference mine is the one dated 18.6.41.
The item number, H 22/214, is the one provided by the US National Archives.
I did not know there were so many different "dated" versions!

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Post by jpz4 » 30 May 2019, 23:51

Here's the version I was referring to:
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Post by Leo Niehorster » 31 May 2019, 07:37

The one CNE503 referred to is
RHD 2/435D
  “Kriegsgliederung ‘Barbarossa’ (B-Tag) – 18.06.1941”
  OKH/GenStdH/OpAbt (III)/Nr. 15801 gK, dated 18.06.1941

The map thereto is found in RH2/435 K-1.

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