Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

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Re: Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

Post by Rossano » 13 Aug 2019 07:32

Will You kindly post the officer list in question for a better understanding (or give the div. link) ? Thanks

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Re: Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

Post by CNE503 » 18 Aug 2019 21:56

Rossano wrote:
11 Aug 2019 10:00
Hello
I just found these for You
Rgds.
Rossano,
Have you please the same inputs than those you posted about Qu.1, Qu.2 and O2, but concerning the sechster Ordonnanzoffizier (O6)?
Many thanks!
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Re: Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

Post by Rossano » 19 Aug 2019 19:00

In that Armee (from which I gave You the Inputs) the O6 was missing.
What about Your posting the officer list in question (of that division) for a better understanding (or giving the div. link) ? Thanks

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Re: Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

Post by CNE503 » 19 Aug 2019 20:10

It was not a division, but the German military mission in Romania staff. The documents are those I referred to in a previous message.
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Re: Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

Post by Piet Duits » 20 Aug 2019 10:15

The O6 was part of the Ic. His jobdescription (in German) was something like this:

Beobachtung der fdl. Kriegsgliederung, Organisation, Ausrüstung, Versorgung.
Systematische Ordnung der Feindverbände.
Auswertung aller Meldungen u. Feindnachrichten, sowie der Gefangenen- u. Überlaufervernehmungen.
Bearbeiter der Gefangenen Vernehmungsberichte.

However, I think you are confusing the O6 with the O5, who indeed was a part of the OQu. His jobdescription was something like this:

Bearbeitung der Meldungen.
Führung der g.Kdos.Akt.,
Lagenkarte d. Qu. 2.
Tätigkeitsbericht.
Mitarbeit auf allen nebenstehenden Qu. 2 gebieten.

Regarding the "something like this": I have been looking for official jobdescriptions for a long time. Often you can find such things as part of the Stellenbesetzungslisten (which Rossano likes so much). Sadly enough, the jobdescriptions are not always the same. Some are very detailed, others not. Finding the more or less "correct" (theoretical) jobdescription is very hard.

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Re: Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

Post by Rossano » 20 Aug 2019 10:41

Ciao Piet, glad to read You !
Yes, You remember well. I collect (among others) any officers lists (Stellenbesetzungen, Kriegsranglisten, Einteilungen, Übersichten, etc., and I have many of them already), and I will thank anybody (You included) who will help me with new ones that I still miss (free, or eventually upon exchange).
Thanks, Rossano

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Re: Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

Post by Piet Duits » 20 Aug 2019 12:22

CNE503, do you need more jobdescriptions?

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Re: Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

Post by jpz4 » 20 Aug 2019 16:18

Piet Duits wrote:
20 Aug 2019 12:22
CNE503, do you need more jobdescriptions?
Even if he doesn't I would certainly appreciate them. :wink: I do have some at corps level, but it would be good to be able to compare them to something.

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Re: Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

Post by CNE503 » 20 Aug 2019 17:31

Hello Piet,
Thank you for that, and sure I'm interested in having the same elements for other staff officers.
First and foremost: O1, O3, O4 and O5.

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Re: Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

Post by Piet Duits » 20 Aug 2019 17:43

Okay guys,

Here are the jobdescriptions (on Armee-level) for the O1 etc.

erster Ordonnanzoffizier (O1) (Ia-Abteilung)

Bearbeitung der Meldungen.
Lagenkarten der unterstellten Verbände.
OKH-Lehrgänge.
Überwachung des Kurierdienstes.
Chefsachen-Verwaltung in Verbindung mit Sachbearbeiter KTB.
Abwehr-Offizier Geschäftsgang.
Besondere Aufgaben durch Ia.

vierter Ordonnanzoffizier (O4) (Ia-Abteilung)

Mitarbeit bei Id.
Luftschutzoffizier.

dritter Ordonnanzoffizier (O3) (Ic/AO)

Bearbeitung des Feindnachrichtenblattes.
Tätigkeitsbericht.
Beobachtung der Feindlage im Grossen in Verbindung mit Ia.
Überwachung der Nachrichten-Aufklärung.
Kriegsschauplätze.
Regelung des inneren Dienstbetriebes.

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Re: Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

Post by CNE503 » 20 Aug 2019 19:49

Piet,

Excellent! That's very helpful concerning my understanding of the organization of a German higher staff, and that's exactly what I decided to improve this summer.
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Re: Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

Post by CNE503 » 20 Aug 2019 20:22

Piet Duits wrote:
20 Aug 2019 10:15
However, I think you are confusing the O6 with the O5, who indeed was a part of the OQu.
Piet,

I don't, at least not in any case, because I found one evidence that O5 could be part of the Ic and not the O.Qu., while O6 was with O.Qu. (see the attachment).
Anyway, I guess that it doesn't change anything concerning their duties.

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Re: Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

Post by jpz4 » 21 Aug 2019 12:55

Job descriptions of a Korpsstab in August 1943
(Part 1)


Führungsabt. - Abt. Ia - Ia
01 - Führungsabt - Abt Ia - Ia.jpg

Führungsabt. - Abt. Ia - O1
02 - Führungsabt - Abt Ia - O1.jpg

Führungsabt. - Abt. Ia - Ord.Offz. zbV
03 - Führungsabt - Abt Ia - OO zbV.jpg

Führungsabt. - Abt. Ia - Ia/Meß
04 - Führungsabt - Abt Ia - Ia-Mess.jpg

Führungsabt. - Einzelgr. - Ia-Fes.Pi.
05 - Führungsabt - Einzelgr - Ia-Fes.Pi.jpg
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Re: Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

Post by jpz4 » 21 Aug 2019 12:59

Job descriptions of a Korpsstab in August 1943
(Part 2)

Führungsabt. - Einzelgr. - Ia/Stopi
06 - Führungsabt - Einzelgr - Ia-Stopi.jpg

Führungsabt. - Einzelgr. - Ia/Art
07 - Führungsabt - Einzelgr - Ia-Art.jpg

Führungsabt. - Einzelgr. - Stogab
08 - Führungsabt - Einzelgr - Stogab.jpg

Führungsabt. - Einzelgr. - K.N.F.
09 - Führungsabt - Einzelgr - K.N.F.jpg

Führungsabt. - Abt. Ic - Ic
10 - Führungsabt - Abt Ic - Ic.jpg
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Re: Differences between O.Qu., Qu.1, Qu.2, O2, O6

Post by jpz4 » 21 Aug 2019 13:03

Job descriptions of a Korpsstab in August 1943
(Part 3)

Führungsabt. - Abt. Ic - O3
11 - Führungsabt - Abt Ic - O3.jpg

Führungsabt. - Abt. Ic - O4
12 - Führungsabt - Abt Ic - O4.jpg

Führungsabt. - Abt. Ic - Dolm.
13 - Führungsabt - Abt Ic - Dolm .jpg

Quartiermeister-Abt. - Qu.3
14 - Qu.Abt - Qu.jpg

Quartiermeister-Abt. - O2
15 - Qu.Abt - O2.jpg
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