Panzer-Regiment 6, info needed

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Panzer-Regiment 6, info needed

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Post by Joda » 27 Dec 2019, 12:00

I’d like to have info about Pz.Rgt. 6 from August 1943 onwards, so from the arrival in France onwards.
It looks it was attached to Panzer-Lehr-Division, but was it absorbed or was independent?

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Post by luckystrike78 » 27 Dec 2019, 17:08

The I./PzRgt.6 was subordinated to Panzerlehrregiment 130 as a replacement for its missing I. Abteilung.The subordination ended in October 1944, but I guess, there was not much left from the Abteilung at this point of time.


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Post by Richard Anderson » 27 Dec 2019, 17:37

I./Pz.-Regt. 6. was actually a part of 3. Pz.-Div., but had been detached from that division for nearly a year. On 17 July 1943, OKH ordered the battalion from Dnepropetrovsk to Neuruppin for re-equipping and training as a Panther battalion. Then on 8 August, while the battalion was still in route to Neuruppin, OKH issued the unrealistic expectation that the battalion would complete it’s training and equipping by 1 September. Instead, in early September the battalion packed up at Neuruppin and left for Mailly le Camp, where it remained until February 1944. The Heereszeugämt sent the battalion 5 Panther tanks on 21 October 1943, 23 on 3 December, 4 on 10 December, 6 on 14 December, 16 on 29 January 1944, 8 on 30 January, and 17 on 31 January, but 11 of the last 17 shipped were diverted to 12. SS-Pz.-Div., leaving the battalion 68. On 16 January, OKH ordered the battalion attached to the newly-organized Panzer-Lehr Division. On 3 March, Heereszeugämt sent 11 Panther tanks to replace those given to 12. SS-Pz.-Div. Shortly afterwards, OKH ordered the battalion with the division to Vienna for Fall MARGARETE. While at Budapest, additional elements from Bergen-Belsen arrived, including the 10 Panther tanks left there in January, giving the battalion 85 after 3 were transferred to the Stabskompanie of Pz.-Lehr-Regt. 130. As of 5 June the battalion was en route to the Eastern Front to rejoin 3. Pz.-Div., with the leading train at Magdeburg and the last train at Paris. It arrived at the front on 10 June and went into action on 11 June.

Stab/Pz.-Regt. 6. and its II. Abteilung remained with 3. Pz.-Div. throughout this period.
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Post by Joda » 27 Dec 2019, 19:04

Thank you very much for the info.
Very helpful.

Is it known also the list of Rgt commanders? or the different Abteilungen.
And also the diagram of the regiment?

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Post by luckystrike78 » 27 Dec 2019, 21:45

Richard Anderson wrote:
27 Dec 2019, 17:37
On 3 March, Heereszeugämt sent 11 Panther tanks to replace those given to 12. SS-Pz.-Div. Shortly afterwards, OKH ordered the battalion with the division to Vienna for Fall MARGARETE. While at Budapest, additional elements from Bergen-Belsen arrived, including the 10 Panther tanks left there in January, giving the battalion 85 after 3 were transferred to the Stabskompanie of Pz.-Lehr-Regt. 130. As of 5 June the battalion was en route to the Eastern Front to rejoin 3. Pz.-Div., with the leading train at Magdeburg and the last train at Paris. It arrived at the front on 10 June and went into action on 11 June.

Stab/Pz.-Regt. 6. and its II. Abteilung remained with 3. Pz.-Div. throughout this period.
Something must be wrong here. According to the chronicle of the Panzerlehrdivision, I./PzRgt. 6 fought the whole Normandy Campaign with the division. the commander of I./PzRgt. 6, Major Markowsky, was wounded at Tilly on 18.06.44, but returned shortly therafter.

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Post by Richard Anderson » 27 Dec 2019, 22:23

luckystrike78 wrote:
27 Dec 2019, 21:45
Richard Anderson wrote:
27 Dec 2019, 17:37
On 3 March, Heereszeugämt sent 11 Panther tanks to replace those given to 12. SS-Pz.-Div. Shortly afterwards, OKH ordered the battalion with the division to Vienna for Fall MARGARETE. While at Budapest, additional elements from Bergen-Belsen arrived, including the 10 Panther tanks left there in January, giving the battalion 85 after 3 were transferred to the Stabskompanie of Pz.-Lehr-Regt. 130. As of 5 June the battalion was en route to the Eastern Front to rejoin 3. Pz.-Div., with the leading train at Magdeburg and the last train at Paris. It arrived at the front on 10 June and went into action on 11 June.

Stab/Pz.-Regt. 6. and its II. Abteilung remained with 3. Pz.-Div. throughout this period.
Something must be wrong here. According to the chronicle of the Panzerlehrdivision, I./PzRgt.6 fought the whole Normandy Campaign with the division. the commander of I./PzRgt.6, Major Markowsky, was wounded at Tilly on 18.06.44, but returned shortly therafter.
Sorry, my fault in editing my footnote too much. It should have read "As of 5 June the battalion was en route to the Eastern Front to rejoin 3. Pz.-Div., with the leading train at Magdeburg and the last train at Paris, when it was ordered back to France. Leading elements arrived at the front in Normandy on 10 June and went into action on 11 June."
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Post by Joda » 16 Jan 2020, 17:24

I have another question on this matter: what is the history of the Pz.Rgt.6 remaining on the Eastern Front in 1943-44 and 1945?
Very few info are online..

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 16 Jan 2020, 17:49

Why not trying the unit history? 'Gekämpft, Gesiegt, Verloren' by Oskar Munzel.

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Post by Richard Anderson » 16 Jan 2020, 18:20

Joda wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 17:24
I have another question on this matter: what is the history of the Pz.Rgt. 6 remaining on the Eastern Front in 1943-44 and 1945?
Very few info are online..
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... er/PR6.htm
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Post by Kelvin » 16 Jul 2022, 08:51

Richard Anderson wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 18:20
Joda wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 17:24
I have another question on this matter: what is the history of the Pz.Rgt. 6 remaining on the Eastern Front in 1943-44 and 1945?
Very few info are online..
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... er/PR6.htm
Hello, Richard, may I ask how many Panther operational when it joined her parent division -3 Pz Division and fought in Hunary with Soviet troop in Dec 1944 ? ( it should have its authorized 60 vehicles in accordance with website Panther 1944 de)

And two books : armored bear the combat history of 3. Pz division and Days of battle also don't have those information in Dec 1944

May I help on that ? thank

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Post by Westphalia1812 » 16 Jul 2022, 12:11

Kelvin wrote:
16 Jul 2022, 08:51
Richard Anderson wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 18:20
Joda wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 17:24
I have another question on this matter: what is the history of the Pz.Rgt. 6 remaining on the Eastern Front in 1943-44 and 1945?
Very few info are online..
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... er/PR6.htm
Hello, Richard, may I ask how many Panther operational when it joined her parent division -3 Pz Division and fought in Hunary with Soviet troop in Dec 1944 ? ( it should have its authorized 60 vehicles in accordance with website Panther 1944 de)

And two books : armored bear the combat history of 3. Pz division and Days of battle also don't have those information in Dec 1944

May I help on that ? thank
https://invenio.bundesarchiv.de/invenio ... 074797aad/
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Post by Kelvin » 17 Jul 2022, 06:34

Westphalia1812 wrote:
16 Jul 2022, 12:11
Kelvin wrote:
16 Jul 2022, 08:51
Richard Anderson wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 18:20
Joda wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 17:24
I have another question on this matter: what is the history of the Pz.Rgt. 6 remaining on the Eastern Front in 1943-44 and 1945?
Very few info are online..
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... er/PR6.htm
Hello, Richard, may I ask how many Panther operational when it joined her parent division -3 Pz Division and fought in Hunary with Soviet troop in Dec 1944 ? ( it should have its authorized 60 vehicles in accordance with website Panther 1944 de)

And two books : armored bear the combat history of 3. Pz division and Days of battle also don't have those information in Dec 1944

May I help on that ? thank
https://invenio.bundesarchiv.de/invenio ... 074797aad/

Hi, Westphalia, thank for your reply. I also have those report on Dec 1 1944. in accordance with book armored bear combat history of 3.Pz division, I./Pz.Rgt.6 finally rejoined its parent division with full strength in mid Dec 1944, but I check 3.Pz division AFv status on Dec 15 1944 did not have data on Panther status, so maybe somewhere had those data.

For Dec 1 1944 status report, I doubt the number of Pz IV in this report, : 54 x Pz IV total, because you know, Jagdpanzer IV L70 (A) sometime German called it Pz IV L70, and in Pak(sf) already had 35 AFV, i guess it is double calculation

It was because II./Pz.Rgt 6 had four tank companies, one equipped with StuG III, one with Pz IV L70 or called Jagdpanzer IV L70(A) and two companies each equipped with Pz IV, how can only two tank companies equipped with 54 x Pz IV tanks ?

And Panzerjager Abteilung 543 was equipped with 20 x Jagdpanzer IV L48

so Jagdpanzer IV L70 (A) and L48 matched the number 35 but 54 x Pz IV is too much for two tank companies, it should be double calculation.

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