Strength of single Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung

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Strength of single Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung

Post by Naveed Shahzad » 17 Jan 2020 08:43

Dear All,

How many Sturmgeschütz were in Abteilung?

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Re: Strength of single Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung

Post by CNE503 » 17 Jan 2020 11:18

Depends when.
In 1942-1943, if I'm not mistaken, usually 31: 10 in each of the three batteries, one for the battalion commander.
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Re: Strength of single Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung

Post by Art » 17 Jan 2020 14:11

The initial composition was 3 batteries, each of 6 vehicles. Which later changed to 3 batteries, each of 10 and 1 at the Abteilung HQ. And finally to 3x14+3=45. IIRC at that moment they were renamed as 'brigades'.

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Re: Strength of single Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung

Post by CNE503 » 17 Jan 2020 14:27

That's my "when" ;)
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Re: Strength of single Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung

Post by Naveed Shahzad » 17 Jan 2020 15:05

Thanks buddy.
Art wrote:
17 Jan 2020 14:11
The initial composition was 3 batteries, each of 6 vehicles. Which later changed to 3 batteries, each of 10 and 1 at the Abteilung HQ. And finally to 3x14+3=45. IIRC at that moment they were renamed as 'brigades'.

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Re: Strength of single Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung

Post by Gary Kennedy » 17 Jan 2020 16:33

The above outlines the development of Stug Battalion organisation, which underwent a good deal of amendment in the few years they were active. Below is the evolution as I've been able to follow it.

KStN 445 of 01/11/39 looks to have been the original Stug Battery, which I understand was an independent unit, and shows six guns. It was superseded by 446, issued 08/07/40 and again 18/04/41, which was for a six gun Bty within a Stug Battalion. 446 was reissued 01/05/41 and again 01/11/41 (the Nov41 version being I think the first that there is still a copy of), and the Nov41 shows the Bty with seven guns, with one for Bty HQ and three Platoons of two guns each. At the same time there was another KStN issued, 446a, which was reissued 01/11/42. The Nov42 one is available and shows the Bty with ten guns, one for HQ and three Pls each of three.

Battalion HQ was originally shown on KStN 416, and was issued 04/07/40, 01/02/41, 01/11/41 and 01/12/42. The last of these is the only one that appears to be available and shows a single Stug. Staff Bty was issued on KStN 588 with dates of 01/02/41, 01/11/41 and 01/04/43. Again only the last dated appears to be available, and shows no Stugs. A new 588a was issued 01/11/42 for Bns with Btys of ten Stugs each and likewise has no Stugs of its own.

Overall then there look to have been initially 18 guns for a Bn from 1940 and into 1941, then during 1942 a split occurs, with two types of Stug Bn fielded, the first authorised 22 guns and the other 31 guns.

In early 1944 two new KStN appear, 416b and 446b. 416b unifies the separate Bn HQ and Staff Bty tables, and shows three guns, while 446b is for a Bty of 14 Stugs, two for Bty HQ and four Pls, of three Stugs each; the fourth Pl was to be equipped with the 10.5-cm version of the Stug. Overall strength was authorised as 45 Stugs, nine of which could be 10.5-cm versions.

Finally in June 1944 come KStN 416 and 446, dated 01/06/44. These refer to the unit as a Stug Brigade, as mentioned above, but it is still only a Battalion (Abteilung) sized unit. 416 was to have a single Stug, with an increment to add two more. 446 was for a Bty with ten Stugs, one for HQ and then three Pls of three guns each. One Pl was allowed the 10.5-cm Stug. There was an increment to add a second Stug to Bty HQ and a fourth Stug to each Pl, increasing the Bty to 14 guns. Without the increment the Brigade was authorised 31 guns and with it 45 guns.

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Re: Strength of single Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung

Post by Naveed Shahzad » 19 Jan 2020 08:59

Thank you so much Gary.
The above outlines the development of Stug Battalion organisation, which underwent a good deal of amendment in the few years they were active. Below is the evolution as I've been able to follow it.

KStN 445 of 01/11/39 looks to have been the original Stug Battery, which I understand was an independent unit, and shows six guns. It was superseded by 446, issued 08/07/40 and again 18/04/41, which was for a six gun Bty within a Stug Battalion. 446 was reissued 01/05/41 and again 01/11/41 (the Nov41 version being I think the first that there is still a copy of), and the Nov41 shows the Bty with seven guns, with one for Bty HQ and three Platoons of two guns each. At the same time there was another KStN issued, 446a, which was reissued 01/11/42. The Nov42 one is available and shows the Bty with ten guns, one for HQ and three Pls each of three.

Battalion HQ was originally shown on KStN 416, and was issued 04/07/40, 01/02/41, 01/11/41 and 01/12/42. The last of these is the only one that appears to be available and shows a single Stug. Staff Bty was issued on KStN 588 with dates of 01/02/41, 01/11/41 and 01/04/43. Again only the last dated appears to be available, and shows no Stugs. A new 588a was issued 01/11/42 for Bns with Btys of ten Stugs each and likewise has no Stugs of its own.

Overall then there look to have been initially 18 guns for a Bn from 1940 and into 1941, then during 1942 a split occurs, with two types of Stug Bn fielded, the first authorised 22 guns and the other 31 guns.

In early 1944 two new KStN appear, 416b and 446b. 416b unifies the separate Bn HQ and Staff Bty tables, and shows three guns, while 446b is for a Bty of 14 Stugs, two for Bty HQ and four Pls, of three Stugs each; the fourth Pl was to be equipped with the 10.5-cm version of the Stug. Overall strength was authorised as 45 Stugs, nine of which could be 10.5-cm versions.

Finally in June 1944 come KStN 416 and 446, dated 01/06/44. These refer to the unit as a Stug Brigade, as mentioned above, but it is still only a Battalion (Abteilung) sized unit. 416 was to have a single Stug, with an increment to add two more. 446 was for a Bty with ten Stugs, one for HQ and then three Pls of three guns each. One Pl was allowed the 10.5-cm Stug. There was an increment to add a second Stug to Bty HQ and a fourth Stug to each Pl, increasing the Bty to 14 guns. Without the increment the Brigade was authorised 31 guns and with it 45 guns.

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Re: Strength of single Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung

Post by Leo Niehorster » 19 Jan 2020 11:44

For what it's worth ...
Thomas Jentz told me that most Stug batteries were issued their 7th Sturmgeschütz just before 22 June 1941, i.a.w. some directive.
I can't prove it, as it was in a conversation with me, and Jentz has since passed away. :(

I do have a symbols diagram, NARA RH17 603 (page 16) "Gliederung einer Sturm-Batterie 7,5cm Kanone (mot.S) im Abt.-Verband",
showing the Artillerie-Lehr-Regiment's Sturm-Lehr-Batterie, in the six-vehicle configuration, probably from early January 1940. Sometime after this some changes were made in pencil:
- The Platoon Leaders' Sd.Kfz. 253 are crossed out, and the motorccyles exchanged for motorcycles with sidecars.
- The Battery Commander's Sd.Kfz. 253(11) [1] is also crossed out, but with the remark "Gesch." [Geschütz].
- The Observation Officer's Sd.Kfz. 253(11) [1] is also crossed out and replaced with a motorcycle combination.
- The Baggage Train has been augmented by a second medium all-wheel drive truck for rations.

[1] The two battery headquarters vehicle symbols have "Sd.Kfz. 253(11)" as designations, indicating that the Sd.Kfz. 11 (leichter Zugkraftwagen 3-ton) could be substituted.

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