What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by CNE503 » 03 Mar 2020 07:56

Oh, yes, so sorry. I probably read it bad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkssturm
As you see, it is written volksstrum, indeed.
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Are you totally dumb or is it something you do on purpose?

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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by Yuri » 04 Mar 2020 20:18

Not all divisions are listed in the information reference of the General staff of the red Army. In particular, there is no 336th infantry division, which I probably know more about than its commander, Lieutenant General Lucht, did. Yes, the same division that participated in the battle for state farm No. 79 ( state farm "Red Star"). In the division of General Lucht there were no more than 55% of Germans. Others are: poles, Czechs. French, Dutch, and Slovenes (not Slovaks).
In this regard, nothing has changed in the division of General Lucht and six months after the battle for state farm No. 79.
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Due to uneven losses of divisions and conscription of the population of the occupied countries, the system of replenishment of reserve battalions by natives of certain regions of Germany was violated. As a result, the personnel of most divisions operating at the front became motley in their national composition.
Defector - a soldier of the 7th Company of the 2nd Battalion of the 685th Infantry Regiment of the 336th Infantry Division, who defected to the Red Army on 28.6.43 - said: "In the 7th Company - 25 French Alsatians, 12 Slovenes, 12 Poles, the rest of the Germans and Austrians".
All infantry divisions operating before the front (South-Western front-Yuri) have up to 20% of non-German soldiers.
There were no changes in the recruitment and training system for conscripts. Over the past 6 months, there have been more frequent cases when marching battalions intended for one division have been joined by others divisions. For example, the No. 304 marching battalion assigned to the 304th Infantry Division was merged into the 294th Infantry Division; the Zender marching battalion assigned to the 16th Motorized Division was merged into the 15th Air Field Division.
Similar facts are noted in the 23rd Panzer Division, the 336th and 111th Infantry Divisions, and others.
To create army reserves, the German command often sends to the front, so-called "special purpose" marching battalions that are not intended for a specific mission, which are distributed among divisions according to the decision of the army command.
Much more widely than in 1942, prisoners of war were used in the rear divisions of active units, construction and security units, with the aim of freeing the Germans, who were transferred to combat units.
In the 79th, 111th and 306th Infantry Divisions, separate construction battalions were created from prisoners of war – traitors to the Motherland.
In all infantry divisions operating in front of the front, there are 10-20 prisoners of war and traitors to the Motherland in each company.
In the occupied territory, the Germans created a number of legions of traitors to the Motherland, which are used as security units, and in some cases act on the front line of defense in the most passive areas of the front.
In connection with the total mobilization, the number of women employed in communications units, large headquarters and rear units has increased significantly.
Persons who are unfit for military service and women are sent as "universal labor service" to military enterprises and transport, where they are trained by qualified masters, and then take the places of workers who are sent to the front.
Defector-corporal of the 17th Infantry Division- poles Mira Theodor, who defected to the red Army 8.8.43, showed: "5 weeks ago, the battalion received a replenishment in Germany at the age of 18 to 35 years. Of the new recruits, many worked in military /aviation / factories".
In addition, every effort is being made to attract foreign workers to work in the military industry, as well as prisoners of war in secondary enterprises.
Able-bodied war invalids are also sent to the military industry.
Older persons aged 36 and over are not sent to active units, but to security units, construction battalions, and other rear units.
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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by Yuri » 04 Mar 2020 21:34

About the legal status of Italian soldiers who voluntarily join the 1st Tank Army.
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If an Italian does not have 50% German blood, then he joins the Wehrmacht as a volunteer assistant ( "Hiwi").
Italian soldiers who do not have 50% German blood apply for German citizenship to the Ministry of the interior.
If he has 50% German blood, then according to the law of19.5.1943, he acquires the citizenship of the Third Reich.
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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by Yuri » 04 Mar 2020 22:03

The 2nd tank army formed 4 the Legion.
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Prisoners of war of these nationalities should not be sent to pow camps, but sent to Bryansk, Karachev, or Orel.
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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by CNE503 » 05 Mar 2020 09:41

At this time, French Alsatian weren't French citizen, but German ones. Same for a lot of Poles or Czech. For instance, 46. Infanterie-Division, raised in the Sudetenland as an active division, was German, not Czech.
It didn't mean that there were no foreigners in the German units. These ones were "Hilfswilligen".

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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by Yuri » 05 Mar 2020 12:15

CNE503 wrote:
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At this time, French Alsatian weren't French citizen, but German ones.

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Yes, I know that.
We will try to reveal the system of recruitment of the German armed forces, and all that is connected with it. Including a very peculiar accounting of losses, which was used in the German armed forces.
Now you can listen to a lecture that German soldiers listened to in July 1941.
It shows, among other things, the territory and population from which human resources were drawn to complete the German armed forces.
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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

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