What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by Yuri » 05 Mar 2020 12:26

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Department of the military district IV
1c
30.7.1941

Material for raising the spirit in the army.
It is not subject to publication.
Only for the troops.

Eastern theater of war.

Last week's success was also exclusively on the side of German arms.
If we take into account that last year the Western front was 400 kilometers long and 40 kilometers deep, and the Eastern front now stretches 2,500 kilometers long and reaches 300 kilometers deep in some segments, we must admit that the real war with the Soviets has no equal in military history, either in terms of space or size. According to the Supreme command of the armed forces, about 9.000.000 people, that is, about 560 divisions, participate in the battles.
And now these fights are still very fierce. Due to the superiority of German weapons on many parts of the huge front, most of the spaces were lost to the Russians. But the Soviet-Russian divisions are fighting here with the courage of despair. Therefore, the tasks assigned to our comrades on the Eastern front are enormous, even if our divisions, thanks to the excellent organization of German transportation, are supplied with everything necessary by any possible means.
The entire German people and army look with surprise, pride and gratitude at the great achievements of our army operating on the Eastern front, and wait with full confidence for the great success that is brewing when the Red Army is defeated.
The position of these military operations by the beginning of the 6th week is as follows:
The actions of the armed forces of our ally Romania in Bessarabia have been completed. Both in the lower reaches of the Prut river in the East to the Dniester river, and further North on both sides of the Dniester to the South-East, the offensive was successful, we reached the mouth of the Dniester.
From the North, Hungarian and Slovak formations are adjacent, they are fighting shoulder to shoulder with German divisions and are moving from West to East in the direction of the Dnieper, South of Kiev.
From the area of the Rokitinsky (Pripyat) marshes, only minor military actions are reported, as before. In the North, in the huge triangle of Vitebsk-Rogachev (on the Dnieper) – East of Smolensk, there are still fierce battles. On the motorway on both sides, the Russians are throwing more and more red Army formations against the unstoppable advance of the Germans and are smashing everywhere against the strength of spirit of our tank formations.
Numerous Soviet-Russian units are surrounded and killed or captured. Only the day before yesterday they reported from the Mogilev region on the Dnieper that several Soviet divisions were destroyed, while (not taking into account the huge losses here) 23,000 were captured, 161 guns, 800 tanks and many other trophies were captured.
In the Central part of the entire front in German hands is part of the Dnieper at Orsha length of 500 kilometers.
The Dnieper is the second largest river in Russia after the Volga and the third largest in Europe.
… /cut - Yuri/
In the area of the highway, fighting is now taking place West of Vyazma, which is located 150 kilometers East of Smolensk and only 200 kilometers from Moscow. To the North of the highway, an offensive is underway to the East from the Vitebsk-Nevel district, where we reached the town of Toropets (120 kilometers East of the city of Nevel).
In the Northern section of our front, the wedge that broke through from Pskov in Luga extends eastward in the direction of lake Ilmen. Near the coast of the Gulf of Finland, the Narva river, which flows from lake Peipus, flows into the Gulf of Finland.
This cuts off a large force of the enemy in Estonia, which, however, does not prevent them from resisting our irresistible movement from the South to the North with suppressed fury. In addition, we have reached the city of Pernau in the North-Eastern part of the Gulf of Riga and our advanced units are already 50 kilometers North of this point. Together with the German formations, the Finnish armed forces under the command of field Marshal Baron Mannerheim also operate. They are successfully advancing on the Karelian isthmus, on the North-Eastern coast of lake Ladoga, and in the far North, directing a General attack on the Stalin canal and the Murmansk railway (see "Messages" 182).
To sum up, we must say that the process of destroying the red Army is now taking place on a huge front that stretches for 2,500 kilometers. Instead of the largest encirclement of entire army formations, as it was in the West a year ago, in the East there is now a systematic destruction of surrounded enemy strike groups. The Soviet-Russian front begins, as has been repeatedly indicated in the reports of the Supreme command of the armed forces, to divide into parts under the destructive blows of the German army.
This process is long and less noticeable, however, the result still wakes up one: the destruction of the enemy.

From the West:
The outbreak of war in the East made it clear to the world that Germany had long recognized that Roosevelt's willingness to help England was nothing more than an expression of true imperialism itself.
True, Churchill pours out his gratitude about the law on us aid to England, but it is obvious that he is also gradually beginning to understand the true nature of us aid. This imperialism of Roosevelt was expressed, first of all, in the exchange of valuable British bases in the Caribbean for obsolete 50 destroyers, then in the capture of Iceland and, finally, a strange offer from the US to Portugal to protect the Azores.
The Portuguese government of the energetic Prime Minister Salazar and President General Carmon made it clear to the United States that they do not attach any importance to "protection", since the Azores are not threatened and, in General, Portugal can organize the necessary protection of the Islands itself. To secure this, General Carmona, with a large retinue, made a trip to the Azores, where he was greeted with joy. According to the military, the General's brief statement before leaving that he was only going "from Portugal to Portugal" inspired both the Portuguese people and the population of the Azores. We can only wait to see what Roosevelt will do about his offer of assistance.

It is not surprising that Roosevelt's imperialist policy of including the valuable Azores Islands in the plan of the us Empire as a result of this war would have been very appropriate.
… /cut - Yuri/
Portugal is in a single Alliance with Spain, which has not yet forgotten all the horrors of the civil war and which knows what a fraternal Alliance of Roosevelt and Stalin is, in order to protect its Fatherland, is able to protect its possessions from us imperialism. Therefore, it is not surprising that the number of volunteers in recruitment centers who want to fight against the Red Army does not decrease.
Several parties of such volunteers have already arrived through France to the East of Europe. Many Spanish pilots who were part of the blue squadron of the hero pilot major Garcio Morato during the civil war, who shot down 34 Soviet-Russian planes and then, unfortunately, died, belong to the volunteers. The strong wave of national feelings that is now being observed in Spain is increasing thanks to a good harvest this year.
… /cut - Yuri/

Germany:
Just in these days, when our great German Empire is engaged in a defensive struggle against the vast masses of Eastern European Bolshevism, a new arrangement is interesting, which shows the growth of our homeland in recent years and shows us, the soldiers, that the Great German Empire, thanks to its Fuhrer, has become a powerful space in Central Europe in terms of its size.
The following data is based on published materials from the Imperial statistical office in recent weeks:

/here in the text is a table that I will give separately below-Yuri/

The government of Germany is currently being made to the area in 841.116 square kilometers with a population of 111.732.400 people.

War in the air and on the water:
In connection with the data of "Messages" 182 about the situation of the Soviet country at sea, data on the Soviet Navy are also of interest.
The German fleet closed Russia's route from the Gulf of Finland to the Baltic sea, thereby closing its path to the open ocean.
The same should be said about the Black sea, since the exit from it-the Dardanelles-is protected in the Aegean sea by our Navy.
Thus, Soviet Russia now has only two exits to the sea: the White sea (polar) and the far East (Vladivostok).
How long the White sea will remain in Russia's hands will be decided by our armed forces, and the Siberian road through Vladivostok cannot be of greater importance for supplies because of its vast extent of insufficient improvement.
This already disastrous situation of supplying Russia by water will be felt by Russia the more strongly the greater interest it will turn to the merchant fleet.
Previously, Russia's small merchant fleet reached 1.500.000 registered gross tons in the Soviet Union by 1939. In addition, the Russian merchant fleet increased last year at the expense of the Baltic republics. While Lithuania had a small number of ships, Estonia and Latvia had a relatively large merchant fleet over the past ten years.
Of the 400.000 registered gross tons, the Soviet country appropriated about half, and the remainder was stolen overseas – as was to be expected-by England.
Since the Soviet merchant fleet was not overseas on the day the war began on 22.6.1941, it is obvious that about one-third of it is located in the Black sea. The remaining 2/3 of the fleet was probably in the Gulf of Finland. At this magnitude, they are unlikely to be able to reach the White sea via the Stalin canal (see "Messages" 182).
If England is also beaten in the war against the Soviets, it will be clearly shown in the West that there are no breaks there. When attempting to attack the Straits coast, the Royal air force suffered one of the biggest defeats on 23.7: within a few hours they lost 54 aircraft, while the German air force only lost 3 aircraft.
A day later, the British air force lost 33 aircraft in the same attempt.
Submarine spoons have sunk in recent days in the Atlantic ocean at least 19 enemy merchant ships of 116.000 registered gross tons. The fact that it is not the Axis powers that are waging war on two fronts, but England itself that has to wage war on several fronts, is evidenced by the successful actions of the Italian air and naval forces against the English fleet in the Mediterranean.
With 23.7 Italian air intelligence noticed for the first time the movement of a large enemy caravan under the protection of numerous British ships in the center of the Mediterranean sea in a Western direction.
Two days of fierce air and sea battles ended in a complete victory for Italy: 5 merchant steamers with a total displacement of 62.000 gross register tons were sunk, of which a tanker with a displacement of 15.000 gross register tons was sunk, and a ship with ammunition with a displacement of 10.000 gross register tons was blown up by a direct hit by a bomb, the remaining ships were severely damaged by bombs. A 10.000-ton Southampton-class cruiser, an 8.000-ton cruiser, and another cruiser returning to Gibraltar were torpedoed the next day.
The bombs damaged 1 battleship, 1 aircraft carrier, 1 cruiser, and 1 destroyer squadron, so England paid dearly for trying to break through.
It begs the question why such a large caravan was in such a hurry that it could not get around the Cape of Good Hope.
The reason for this is that the position of England in the Eastern part of the Mediterranean sea is very difficult. With the German victory in Crete, Alexandria found itself in a dangerous neighborhood with the Axis aviation. In the same way, our corps in Africa gives the British a lot of work at Sollum.
Even England's position in Syria, despite the armistice, is very fragile. It is not surprising, therefore, that England tried to get out of the dangerous situation in the Eastern part of the Mediterranean by throwing everything necessary there at an accelerated pace.
It was, therefore, an activity of necessity that led England-the ruler of the seas-to this major setback in the Mediterranean.

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Re: What percent of ostfront losses were German?

Post by tramonte » 05 Mar 2020 19:54

Pena V wrote:
20 Feb 2020 21:33
Finnish losses in 1941-1944 were 63 204 KIA & MIA.

Pena V
Always this same mistake, always. Here are Finnish military losses according database of deceased Finnish soldiers (including some voluntary female observation and service units far behind front line) during Continuation War 21 June 41 - 5 Sept 44:

KIA: 37,613
DOW: 12,836
MIA and confirmed later deceased: 3,484
Died in captivity: 503 (this is surely too small number, and it will reduce numbers of MIA/deceased and even KIA*))
non-combat deaths: 8,399

All battle related deaths combined with died in in captivity: 54,436
Please try to finally understand what "killed in action" really means. It should be much better to use precise correct definitions.

*)According study made by TImo Malmi 3,402 Finnish soldiers were captured by Soviet forces. 1,388 died in POW camps and 1,938 came back to Finland. So according Malmi 1,464 deceased in captivity (in camps or when going there). Total number of deceased soldiers in database is as correct as possible but somehow about thousand soldiers have been grouped as "KIA" or "MIA and later confirmed death" when actually been died in captivity.
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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by Yuri » 06 Mar 2020 12:42

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Berlin-Willmersdorf
16.10.1941
Copy
General Directorate of the Waffen SS
The command of the Waffen SS
1C Department

About leaving and entering Alsace-Lorraine, South Carinthia, Lower Steiermark and Kraina.
Sent to A/1 list.

No pass is required to enter Alsace-Lorraine, as well as the former Yugoslav regions of Carinthia, Lower Steiermark, and Kraina, which are included in Germany.
Documents for entry can serve as soldiers ' books with a vacation ticket, a travel order and an order to send to the unit.

On behalf of signed
SS-Sturmbannfuhrer
Curtius.

Translated: Technician-intendant of the 1st rank (signature) /Kopytina/
Information Department
Intelligence Department of the southern front headquarters
Major (signature) / Trusov/

Right: major Selivanov

7.12.41
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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by Pena V » 06 Mar 2020 13:33

Tramonte,

I'm sure your figures are correct. I should have used the term "losses" as in the headline of this thread instead of "KIA & MIA". My bad.
My figure is 63 204 and you give a figure of 54 436 concerning all battle related deaths. However, when we are talking about losses non-combat deaths (8 399) should be included and that increases your figure to 62 835 (99,4% of my figure). I don't know what non-combat losses include but I guess that at least accidents, sicknesses, suicides and death penalties are included.

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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by Yuri » 06 Mar 2020 14:42

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A copy of a copy
Supreme Command of the armed forces.
31956/43 secret
Secret.

Regarding: the treatment of conscripts from the German-administered Western regions (Alsace, Lorraine, Luxembourg) and their use.

With the introduction of conscription for persons of a certain age in Alsace, Lorraine and Luxembourg, the German army, along with military training, is entrusted with a high responsibility for their education in order to fully germanize them.
This is only possible if the following principles are observed, which, if the regulations contradicting them are repealed, will in the future be the guiding principles for the entire German army.
1. The basis for the appeal should be the decree Of the commander of the reserve army and the chief of armament 23 and 12 / 14a, Department of officers, No. 7479/42 secret from 1.9.42 / see Annex/ and the Directive of the chief of the inspection of military training and education in the reserve army, headquarters 1A /1P, No. 705/43 from 12.2.42 / distributed to the company.
These soldiers should be treated in principle in the same way as soldiers from the old German regions; however, it is necessary that the commanders of the units pay attention to their education, because they do not have many prerequisites for performing their duty as required of the German soldier. It would be wrong to show leniency where vigorous intervention is necessary. This is especially true when soldiers display bad or even treacherous beliefs. Further instructions on handling will follow.

2. When conscripted for military service, it is essential to distribute these soldiers throughout the old German territory.
In spare parts, Alsatians, Lorrainians and Luxembourgers should usually make up about 8 percent, with only temporary exceptions – no more than 15 percent of the total number; in field units, their number should not exceed 5 percent.
3. At the request of the Fuhrer, recruits must receive a home leave before being seconded to the active army.
4. It is necessary to adhere in principle to the issued 1.12.42 by the army commander of the reserve and the chief of armament /...cut- Yuri/ order prohibiting the use of soldiers originating from the German-controlled Western regions in occupied France, Belgium, and the Netherlands. However, this order does not apply to the following soldiers /in the form of experience/:
a / Volunteers whose political credibility is beyond any doubt.
b / Officer Candidates.
c/ Soldiers transferred in the composition of the field units to the West.
When moving in accordance with the above instructions, it is forbidden to refer to the Fuhrer's orders or any other instructions.
Chief of staff of the Supreme command of the armed forces
Keitel.

Right:
Major / signature/
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A copy of a copy
Appendix to the order of the Supreme command of the armed forces no. 1956/43 secret from 19.5.43.

Berlin
1.9.1942
Chief of armament and commander of the reserve army.
Secret.
23 in 12 / 14a, Department of officer personnel, No. 7479/42 secret/.

Relatively: recruits from Alsace, Lorraine and Luxembourg.

As a result of the introduction of conscription in Alsace and Lorraine in October 1942, a large number of Alsatians and Lorringians will be drafted into the army.
Indicate that the Alsatians and Lorrainers must be met in the army without prejudice.
During the survey and in units, statements about the former belonging of these regions to France should be avoided by all means.
Although they are often not taken seriously, they offend and hurt the self-esteem of individuals and can cause great harm.
I rather expect that the reception of Alsatians and Lorrainians into the army and the treatment of them will be such as to alleviate and facilitate the incorporation of these returned regions into the Empire.
This order also applies to Luxembourgers called up in October 1942.
Commanders of units and heads of institutions of the Reserve Army must immediately be thoroughly acquainted with this order. They are obliged to ensure, within the limits of their authority, the proper reception and treatment of conscripts from Alsace, Lorraine and Luxembourg.
This order is transmitted only to the company commanders.
If you violate this order, you should immediately take the necessary measures, and in special cases – inform me, giving the name of the perpetrator. I ask the commanders to pay special attention to this issue.
Signature: Fromm.
Right:
Captain.
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532nd rear commandant's office
Department of non-commissioned officers and enlisted personnel,
Secret, no secret 420/43
Headquarters, July 12, 1943.
Confidentially
The above copies are sent for review.

For the commandant of the 532 rear commandant's office
Chief of staff
Signed: von Bogen, Colonel.
Right:
Captain and adjutant

Addressees:
To the companys.

Translated by: Lieutenant of administrative service (signed) / Gurevich/
3.2.44
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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 06 Mar 2020 16:33

Why do you never post the original document....but just a translation from a translation??

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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by Yuri » 06 Mar 2020 21:07

The Protocol of the survey.

Defector of the 12th company of the 85th mountain rifle regiment of the 5th mountain rifle division
Suvek Henrig Stanislavovich, who crossed the front line at 6: 30 on 12.3.1943 in the Kamenskoye district.

Born in 1914 in the town of Skarziski Kamenno (district of Warsaw).
Parents-father is an agricultural worker. My mother died in 1918. Education – 8 years of folk school and 4 years of high school.
In 1932, he volunteered for the Polish Army in the 11th Infantry Regiment of the 23rd Infantry Division. The defector was in the 11th regiment to the occupation of Poland. In the battle of Warsaw against the German occupiers, he was wounded in the leg and sent for treatment. After recovering, he was sent to a concentration camp, where he remained until may 1942, after which he was drafted into the German army and sent to the 190th reserve battalion in the city of Colmar. The 190th reserve battalion is preparing replacements for the 5th mountain rifle division.
On July 20, 1942, as part of the marching battalion, he was sent to the 85th mountain rifle regiment. To the Gory area. Upon arrival in the Gory, the marching battalion did not disband and did not join the units of the 85th mountain rifle regiment until October 20, 1942.
In mid-November 1942, the III./85 mountain rifle battalion was moved to Kovshevo /10 kilometers South-East of Krasnogvardeysk/, where it was tested until January 3, 1943.
4.1.43 the battalion withdrew and was transferred to Krasny Bor. From Krasny Bor they left for the Mga and on January 6, 1943, they arrived via Mustalovo to Annenskoye, where they replaced the units of the 100th mountain rifle regiment.
In the battles in September and October at Sinyavino, the defector did not take part, since he was in the area of the Gory as part of the marching battalion at that time. The defector knows that in the battle of Sinyavino, the 5th mountain rifle division suffered heavy losses, in particular, only 50 men remained in the III./85 mountain rifle regiment.
Replaced in the area of Anennskoe 100th mountain rifle regiment should go on vacation, in connection with the beginning of active Russian operations, the regiment was transferred to Sinyavino, where during 12 and 13 January 1943, lost more than 800 people. The defector believes that at the present time the remnants of the 100th mountain-infantry regiment located somewhere in the area Kalkulova.
III./85 mountain rifle regiment takes the defense on the site Annenskoe, forest /South/.
I./85 mountain rifle regiment, which suffered heavy losses in January 1942 at Sinyavino, is now located in the forest North of Mustalovo. To the right of the III./85 mountain rifle regiment and to the left of the I./85 mountain rifle regiment, German units are defended, whose numbering the defector does not know.
A Spanish sapper company is located in the forest 200 meters East of Annenskoye.
In the forest East of Arbuzovo /3585/ a large number of dugouts, in which many soldiers are placed /presumably, parts of the 28th light infantry division/.
In the forest /3586/ large warehouse with ammunition.
On the high-voltage line /3585/ there are up to 50 light infantry guns, 10-15 of them are working, the rest are mostly broken.
In coordinates 3586, there are five 105 mm guns. In the area of Mustalovo, there are 105 mm and 150 mm guns and 10.1.43 arrived 8- 210 mm guns arrived.
The defensive position on the Annenskoye, forest /South/ section is a coherent system of defensive structures.
There is one machine-gun or artillery BUNKER for every 150-200 meters. Directly on the edge of the shore - a solid minefield. In front of the minefield in some areas there is a wire network type-slingshot. Along the river Bank there is a trench up to two meters deep. The forward trench is connected by communication lines to the second trench, which is at a distance 150 meters deep.
Residential dugouts are located between the trenches. The strength of the dugouts does not withstand direct hits from 76 mm shells.
The 85th mountain rifle regiment consists of: three infantry battalions, the III./85 mountain rifle regiment consists of six companies: the 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, and 16th of which one /16th company/ heavy machine guns. I./85 and II./85 mountain rifle regiments consist of five companies – four rifle companies and one machine gun company.
The headquarters of the III./85 mountain rifle regiment is located in Mustalovo.
The headquarters of the 85th mountain rifle regiment and the headquarters of the 5th mountain rifle division are located in the Gory.
The commander of the 5th mountain rifle division is Lieutenant General Ringel.
The commander of the 85th mountain infantry regiment Colonel Stendebach.
The commander of the 3rd battalion is Captain Fet.
Commander 12th company commander – Ober-Lieutenant Stielfet.

Until January 1, 1943, the division had a conventional sign "white deer head", after January 1, the conventional sign was canceled by a special order and its wearing is prohibited.
With the arrival of 6 January in the Annenskoye district, the 12th company had 96 men.
From 6 to 12 January, the losses from Russian artillery fire are 10 people.
The remaining companies of the 3rd battalion make up this number, not exceeding 100 people.
The 12th Company has 12 Poles, 8 Italians, 13 Austrians, and the rest are Germans.
At night, there are 2 sentinels for every 100 meters, and in the daytime, there is one sentinel for every 400 meters.
The defector explained his late defection to the Russian side by the fact that he was always in the rear.
In the German army, there is a very bad attitude towards poles, a the polish soldier is called a pig. At night they are forced to serve, and during the day they are used for work.
Poles are not allowed to gather together. The defector believes that the Slavic peoples must act together, and therefore he considers it his duty to go over to the side of the Red Army and fight with it against fascism; for this purpose, he conspired with two comrades to go over to the Russians.
The defector knows that 5 days ago the Germans tried to throw an agent on the right bank of the Neva river in the area of Peski, who could not make the transition, because he was noticed by a Russian sentry.
German soldiers are also very tired of fighting, and many of them would go to the Russians, but they are intimidated by the fact that the Russians shoot all the Germans.
In the coming days, 4 poles are to join the Russian side: Unter-officer Schwinge, Sergeant Susek, and Soldiers Morgot and Yanta.
The defector persuasively asks to be allowed to join Sikorski's Polish army in order to take revenge on the fascist barbarians for the murder of his two brothers.
Conclusion:
The information provided by the defector is trustworthy.
He gave evidence willingly and easily.
The survey was conducted by Lieutenant Colonel - Kostrov.
Military translator - Goldschwarz.
True: Lieutenant Colonel (signature) /Kolganov/.

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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by Yuri » 07 Mar 2020 15:26

3.1.44 captured in the area of Lipovets.
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I. / Gr.Reg.689 /246.ID/
Commander. The command post of the battalion, 10.11.1943.

To Gentlemen company commanders.

During the night raid of the enemy in the area of the 3rd company, the losses were very significant. From conversations with the battalion doctor, it turned out that many soldiers were injured in the back while lying down. This can only happen if the soldiers are fleeing from the Russians.
I am fully aware that the fighting qualities of many of our people, especially the junior commanders, are not what we would like them to be. If the branch leader is running, then his men are running. This is an old truth.
How should we treat this? How to raise the fighting spirit?
I hereby order the following: instruct branches and platoon commanders on their tasks at every opportunity.
Platoon and branches leaders are the vanguard of their men and the latter should see them as an example. Of course, there are serious difficulties here, since the cadres of the junior commanders, with some exceptions, are very unimportant. In part, these are unter-officers transferred from the Luftwaffe, to whom the fighting spirit of the infantry is alien.
We must work tirelessly on these people with instruction and example.
The great task that has fallen to the lot of our people must be performed daily by unter- officers and branch commanders. It is necessary to tell them that it is a question of readiness and a fighting impulse of everyone separately. This is the only way we can accomplish the great and difficult task we face here.
Further, it is necessary to point out to our people that retreat and flight always entail even greater losses. While fortitude and courageous endurance, even in a hopeless situation, saves a lot of blood, because the left trench must then be returned by a counterattack, which, as we know, is again worth the loss. Thus, you have to pay twice:
1/ when attacking an enemy,
2/ when the counter-attack.
The enemy we are now dealing with is not selenium. These are mostly penalty boxes.
I consider it the first and noblest duty of company commanders to resort to all possible means in this direction.
The slogan is:
RAISE THE FIGHTING SPIRIT AT ANY COST.

Today, during the day, the companies will receive replenishment.
These are all young, strong guys. With a few exceptions, they are Alsatians. Their morale is characterized by the fact that most of them were born after the First World War, that is, they were in French citizenship until 1940.
It is obvious to me that these people will not have the same fighting spirit as ours.
I spoke to these people last night and I must say that they all, without exception, make a good impression. Of course, there is no special inspiration and enthusiasm in them, but with proper education, they can be made good, quite suitable soldiers and fighters.
Handling these people should be extremely careful. But I am convinced that if they are properly taken up, they can become decent soldiers. Special attention should be paid to their care.
It seems to me therefore very expedient to distribute the new arrivals evenly among the branches.
I ask the company commanders to ensure this.

The next few days will be very busy again.
Everything must be done to be ready to repel the attack at any time.

The signature is illegible

Sent out: 1-4 companies = 4
the headquarters of the = 1
______________________ 5.

Translator of the Intelligence Department of the Western front headquarters
Technician-Lieutenant (signed) /Simonovich/

print 8 copies.
sent: list #4.
i.e.
19.1.44

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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by Yuri » 07 Mar 2020 20:01

The first to be mobilized to the Wehrmacht were Poles, including prisoners of war, in the winter of 1942. At the same time, the ranks of Polish officers were not preserved, they were privates or unter-officers. Those who refused were shot.
Until the autumn of 1942, there was no mobilization in Luxembourg, Alsace, and Lorraine. In February 1943, men born in 1901-1924 were called up for total mobilization. Therefore, the number of Alsatians, Lorraine and Luxembourgers recruitment was significant.
They were distributed throughout the Soviet-European front. However, the main mass of this contingent fell in the area of Orel-Kursk-Belgorod. It is quite clear why

The Western front
Source: TsAMO 500-12480-201-72
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The long war, the lack of prospects for its favorable outcome, the defeat and exsanguination of many units of the German army, the devastation produced by British aircraft in the cities and industrial centers of Germany, are the main reasons for the decline of the political and moral state of the enemy's troops. Poles, Czechs, Austrians, and Frenchmen who are conscripted into the German army mostly hate the Germans and seek to switch sides with the Red Army as soon as possible. This is felt and understood not only by officers, but also by German soldiers. National discord and hatred for the Germans is growing among soldiers of other nationalities in connection with the defeat of the German armies on the fronts.
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"The mood of the soldiers inside Germany is worse than at the front. The bombing of German cities by allied aircraft is depressing. Almost no one believes in a German victory. The soldiers ' mood is depressed, and their discipline has dropped. Under the threat of execution, soldiers are forced to hold the occupied borders." - A soldier of the 2nd company of the 171st infantry regiment of the 56th infantry division, the Frenchman Joseph Boury, who crossed the front line 23.7.43.

"The morale of the soldiers is depressed. In the rear, the mood is worse than at the front, and despite the terror, discontent is felt more and more strongly. My mother was arrested for expressing the reasons for the discontent of the population – the prolongation of the war, poor nutrition. Heavy bombardment of German cities has a panicky effect on the population." / Corporal of the 4th company of the 171st infantry regiment of the 56th infantry division, crossed the front line 15.8.43/.

"In Alsace-Lorraine, the population is strongly outraged and restored against the Germans, who occupied Alsace-Lorraine, shot and threw many Frenchmen into concentration camps. They took all the food in the towns and villages.
In the German army, French soldiers keep to themselves and are forbidden to speak French. The French of the 2nd company were warned by the company commander that if they found ammunition in their rear, they would be shot. French soldiers were only trusted with ammunition on the front lines. In April 1943, a French soldier of the 3rd company of the reserve battalion was found with ammunition, and the soldier was arrested and is believed to have been shot.
The French will never forgive the Germans for what they did to our Homeland. The mood of the German soldiers is also bad, as they believe that Germany lost the war".- Soldiers of the 2nd company of the 171st infantry regiment of the 56th infantry division, the French Viro Marcel and Gnedik Reno, who crossed 22.8.43.

«As a result of total mobilization, men from 17 to 48 years of age are drafted into the army. Seniors are mostly in the rear and support services and convoys. Total mobilization affected the villages least of all. Almost all the men had been taken to the villages before. Now the remains have been taken away. In this regard, the total mobilization, which received nothing from the villages, was a kind of verbal propaganda. In the village Obervillendorf to just 800 residents, including women and children. Up to 100 people were drafted into the army out of all this personnel. Only during the defeat at Stalingrad, up to 12 people were killed from the village, and the total losses of the village reached up to 35 people killed». - Corporal of the 11th company of the 445th infantry regiment of the 134th infantry division, Janza Rudolf, captured 7.8.43.
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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by Yuri » 07 Mar 2020 20:10

The Steppe front
Source: TsAMO 500-12480-201-57
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French and Polish former prisoners of war mobilized in the German army do not inspire confidence in the officers and are under their constant supervision and control.
Wilhelm Student, Ober-Grenadier of the 6th company of the 850th infantry regiment of the 282nd infantry division, testified: "the officers are not sure about the Polish and Czech soldiers and do not allow more than one person of this nationality to be in the branch".
On the basis of "total mobilization" in February-May 1943, several new divisions were formed. One of these formations - the 355th infantry division - arrived in the Kharkov region on 19.8.1943 and was thrown into battle from the move. The 355th infantry division deserves attention in terms of its combat capability, the political Outlook of the soldiers, their training and mood.
The main backbone of the 355th infantry division is the Prussians and residents of the Rhineland. 40% of the division's personnel are poles, Slovenes, Austrians and Czechs, who are under the constant control of one hundred percent "Aryans".
This motley and age-varying mass of untrained soldiers feels insecure at the front. The People of rear who experienced food difficulties, the horrors of the Anglo-American bombing, lost faith in Goebbels reports on the victory of German arms, once in the situation of heavy fighting, completely confused and lost composure. Instead of the promised triumphal March to the East, they witnessed and participated in the shameful failure of the summer offensive. Captured soldiers of the 355th infantry division think on the scale of their branch.
The main mass hardly understands the organization of the company. Soldiers speak in a peculiar jargon, since the native language is forbidden, and German is not learned.
Strict German discipline, extreme spiritual limitations, and the unter-officer's stick force soldiers to hold their rifles and sometimes resist stubbornly in battle.
The fear of being shot keeps them on the battlefield, but at the first opportunity they switch to our side, especially Poles, Czechs, and Austrians. 21 and 22.8.1943 year the bulk of the prisoners of war were from the number of defectors.
The quality of the soldiers ' mass of the 39th light infantry division, formed on the basis of "total mobilization", is at the same level.

Still in the imperialist war of 1914-18, the Germans used prisoners of war as labor near the front line. But usually the French, Belgians, and British worked on the Russian front. Russian prisoners of war were sent to the French front or to the deep rear. Hitler's Germany went much further in this direction: in each company of military units opposing the Steppe front, there are from 15 to 30 former red Army soldiers who are used in the baggage train. On average, each regiment has in its composition, as tross personnel from 200 to 300 Russians.
The rifle in the hands of yesterday's enemy is one of the dangerous elements of "total mobilization", vividly illustrating the disastrous situation with the reserves in the German army. The Russian soldier does not inspire confidence in the German officer and is constantly under control at the direction of the above. In the conditions of defense, such a soldier follows the orders of the enemy under the threat of punishment, but under favorable conditions, he finds ways to switch to the side of the Red Army. During the July-August fighting on the Steppe front, such cases were repeated many times.
Russian wagonmens the Germans call "volunteers."
A soldier of the 9th company of the 315th infantry regiment of the 167th infantry division showed: "the lack of manpower forces the German command to resort to this dangerous event. The Russians can't be trusted, they need to be watched, especially in a combat situation. Although they are called "volunteers" in our, they are essentially prisoners who were forcibly removed from camps and sent to the front".
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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

Post by Yuri » 09 Mar 2020 11:53

It is reasonable to ask the question: how much information of the Red Army's intelligence about the state of the German divisions coincide with the actual data.
We have an opportunity to find out how the Germans themselves evaluated such information.
Brief background of the appearance of the document of Headquarters 18th Army of the Army Group "North". XXVIII.AK capture documents from the headquarters of the Soviet 54th Army, including:
"Assessment of the enemy " from 4.02.1943 and three "Intelligence reports" from the 10, 11, and 12, February 1943.
After studying these documents, the Headquarters 18th Army issued the following document.
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Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?

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Translation from German

Copy from No. 1190/43 of the Counterintelligence Officer of the Intelligence Department of the Army Headquarters 18.

Secret.

Relatively: the enemy's Awareness of the army's units.

I. 28th Army Corps captured with other documents the enemy's assessment of 04.02.1943 and three intelligence reports from 10, 11, and 12 February of the Russian 54th Army. From these documents, we can conclude:
1/. The enemy made the most careful use of every opportunity to obtain information, and thus collated all imaginable intelligence and surveillance data.
Thanks to this and the use of his information about the organization of the German army, he formed an approximately correct idea of his opponent.
2/. He developed this data by interviewing German prisoners of war to an almost correct idea: he was also able to draw important and almost correct conclusions from these interrogations.
3/. What the enemy still lacked for the completeness of this information, it was in some cases able to make up for thanks to the content of German operational orders.
4/. Thanks to all this, the enemy was informed with extreme accuracy about the German forces, their organization, weapons, numbers, and condition.

II. The following conclusions should be drawn from all this:
1. ... / cut/
2. ... / cut/
3. German soldiers in Russian captivity in some cases testified about units and tasks.
It is necessary that all soldiers know that all indications that go beyond the name, rank and name of the unit specified in the soldier's book are high treason.
Those responsible, after their return, are subject to heavy penalties and, in certain cases, to the death penalty.

O R D E R E D:
... / cut/
Any operational order is secret, even if it does not have the appropriate mark.
... / cut/
If you lose an operational order or a map with the situation, higher authorities should immediately make a judicial investigation.
Immediately inform all officers of active units of the contents of this order.

Translated: Senior Lieutenant Shayovich.
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Head of the intelligence Department of the front headquarters
Colonel (signed) / Vasilenko/

"4" February 1944.

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