Kampfgruppe v. Courbière, Odessa 1941

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Kampfgruppe v. Courbière, Odessa 1941

Post by CNE503 » 24 Mar 2020 12:31

Hello,

Does anyone know what units were involved in the help provided by this Kampfgruppe to the Romanians facing Odessa in September or October 1941?
The Romanian 4th Army was involved in bloody and unsuccessful fights to take this city and the Germans were requested to help them as of September 24th. Apparently, on the ground, this help was mainly provided by this task force led by general von Courbière.
I guess it was a Kampfgruppe led by Generalleutnant René de l'Homme de Courbière, CO 213. Sicherungs-Division, right?

Thank you!
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Re: Kampfgruppe v. Courbière, Odessa 1941

Post by Brad Hunter » 25 Mar 2020 21:06

About 10 year ago, I did extensive OoB and ToE research on the Rumanian Army and Air Force for Gary Grigsby's "War in the East" by Matrix Games. I used Rumanian language sources and NARA records.

The Soviets considered Odessa worth defending, and committed a lot of resources to it's defense. The whole Rumanian 4th Army was decimated in combat around the city, taking all of the 4th Army's units out of the war until 07/42 - 08/42, after they could be rebuilt, reequipped, and retrained.

The Rumanians asked the Germans for assault pioneer and artillery units, and the Germans responded by creating the "Befehlshaber der deutschen Truppen vor Odessa," also know as "Division de Courbiere.” I found this information from a Kriegsgliederung, but, unfortunately, I can't find the exact NARA document. This is from my notes:

"Division de Courbiere”
--HQ – Stab – from 213. Sicherungs-Division
--123.Infanterie-Regiment (-) – From 50.Infanterie-Division
----HQ – Stab
----I./123.Infanterie-Regiment
----II./123.Infanterie-Regiment
----6./Lehr-Regiment “Brandenburg”
--Stab, 604.Pioniere-Regiment
----HQ – Stab
----50.Pioniere-Bataillon (mot.)
----70.Pioniere-Bataillon (bicycle)
----71.Pioniere-Bataillon (bicycle)
----666.Pioniere-Bataillon (mot.)
--Stab, 37.Flak-Regiment
----HQ – Stab
----I./37.Flak-Regiment
----leichte Flak-Abteilung
--Stab, 787.Artillerie-Regiment
----HQ – Stab
----154.Artillerie-Bataillon (mot.)
----901.Kusten-Artillerie-Bataillon
----906.Kusten-Artillerie-Bataillon
--Nachrichten-Kompanie (mot.) From 11.Armee

I hope this helps.

Brad

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Re: Kampfgruppe v. Courbière, Odessa 1941

Post by CNE503 » 25 Mar 2020 21:11

Sure it does!
Thank you Brad!
Do you know some relevant facts about this "division": when it was created, what were its main contribution to the siege, when it was disbanded?
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Re: Kampfgruppe v. Courbière, Odessa 1941

Post by CNE503 » 15 Apr 2020 11:40

Found it! Date: September 6th, 1941.
Source: NARA T501 R270 file 1038.

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Re: Kampfgruppe v. Courbière, Odessa 1941

Post by CNE503 » 15 Apr 2020 13:33

Brad,

It appears that your OoB is wrong on one point: it wasn't I./Infanterie-Regiment 123 but II./Infanterie-Regiment 121 instead.
Artillerie-Abteilung 154 (15cm schwere Feldhaubitze) had authority over 4./Artillerie-Abteilung 818 (probably a heavy artillery battalion, but its status is unclear, LdW doesn't mention it).
The two coastal artillery battalions (Heeres-Küsten-Artillerie-Abteilungen 901 and 906) were equipped with french 155mm guns.
Apparently, the engineers regiment staff wasn't clearly assigned at this time, because it could have been either Pionier-Regimentsstab 604 or 673.

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Re: Kampfgruppe v. Courbière, Odessa 1941

Post by Brad Hunter » 15 Apr 2020 22:13

Excellent - I'm glad you found it - that's what happens when you copy-paste/fat-finger something...

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