Artillerie-Kommandeur organization, July 1941

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Artillerie-Kommandeur organization, July 1941

Post by CNE503 » 15 May 2021 16:26

Hello,

Could someone please tell me how was organized such a staff in July 1941?
The manpower strength would be great!

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Re: Artillerie-Kommandeur organization, July 1941

Post by GregSingh » 16 May 2021 05:13

It's KStN 24, widely available, eg. from Lexicon, ca. 35 of personnel.
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Re: Artillerie-Kommandeur organization, July 1941

Post by CNE503 » 16 May 2021 09:05

Thank you, indeed I found it on Lexikon (even if it looks like a late war KStN, probably 1945, I don't think that this staff internal organization evolved that much).
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Re: Artillerie-Kommandeur organization, July 1941

Post by Piet Duits » 16 May 2021 10:22

Wrong, 24 is the Höh. Arko (or Harko), which was found at Army-level.
The Arko (KStN 25) as of 1.2.1941 is lost, but replaced by the 1.1.1945 version. I still hope to find the original KStN somewhere, so if someone has it, please let me know where to find it!

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Post by CNE503 » 16 May 2021 11:10

Copy that, Piet, thank you.
I guess that a Corps Arko in 1941 was around 20-men strong, as in 1945, though.
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Re: Artillerie-Kommandeur organization, July 1941

Post by Piet Duits » 16 May 2021 11:15

Personnel wise the Arko did not change a lot.

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Re: Artillerie-Kommandeur organization, July 1941

Post by Max104740 » 17 May 2021 10:58

In T 283 R 146 you find the summary of the October 37 version:
5+2+10 men
2 Pkw
1 LKW
1 bus,
3 motorcycles, of which 2 with sidecar
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Re: Artillerie-Kommandeur organization, July 1941

Post by CNE503 » 17 May 2021 11:54

Max,

It is, thank you very much!
I guess that the October 1937 organization was not reviewed before 1941, so it was the actual organization at the start of "Barbarossa", right?

Many thanks again!
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Re: Artillerie-Kommandeur organization, July 1941

Post by Max104740 » 17 May 2021 12:11

CNE,
in February 41 a new version of the KStN was issued , we don't know anything about it, as Piet stated.
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Re: Artillerie-Kommandeur organization, July 1941

Post by CNE503 » 17 May 2021 12:14

Oops, my bad, indeed.
Anyway, 17 men in 1937, 22 in 1945, I guess that the 1941 KStN had not totally changed.

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Re: Artillerie-Kommandeur organization, July 1941

Post by Max104740 » 19 May 2021 08:30

Yes,
in my opinion the 41 KStN had the same vehicles of the 37 version and two or three more men.
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Re: Artillerie-Kommandeur organization, July 1941

Post by CNE503 » 19 May 2021 19:22

Max,

Thank you!

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Re: Artillerie-Kommandeur organization, July 1941

Post by Max104740 » 18 Jul 2021 13:46

In Germandocs in russia site I found (12450 A 84 p 46) a total for KStN 25 in 1941: 23 men, 4 trucks and 3 motorcycles (of which 2 sidecar).
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Re: Artillerie-Kommandeur organization, July 1941

Post by CNE503 » 28 Jul 2021 09:44

Max,

It is!
Thank you!

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Re: Artillerie-Kommandeur organization, July 1941

Post by CNE503 » 28 Jul 2021 15:09

Max,

If I may ask, could you please give me a link to the document you speak about?

Grazie mille,

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