Organization Heavy Artillery Battalion 1939

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Organization Heavy Artillery Battalion 1939

Post by Max104740 » 30 Aug 2023 18:08

Hi to everybody,
I am working on the GHQ artillery organization in the Mobilization Plan of 39, which is available in a NARA roll, T78 R424. In this document we can find an interesting information in the section about the mixed heavy artillery battalions: four of the standard heavy howitzer batteries (KStN 462) in the KStN list (p 64 of the roll) are substituted with a handwritten correction by four 30,5 cm Morser batteries (KStN 487). We are speaking of former Czechoslovakian guns seized as consequence of the infamous Munich treaty.
In the gliederung at page 74 of the roll we find that the battalion in which this variation took place are the Battalions number 624 and 641, in this page only one 30,5 cm battery is present in each battalion. This battery is in substitution of the 10 cm gun battery (KStN 454), whereas the two 15 cm howitzer batteries are preserved (an error Mobilization Plan?).
I checked Niehorster’s book, volume 1.III, and I found confirmation that the battalions with 30,5 cm batteries were the 624 and 641, but with two differences:
• the battalions were organised according the ZbV standard, with a different transmission Platoon, KStN 555 instead of KStN 556,
• the battalions were organised with 2 30,5 cm batteries and one 21 cm one (one battery with the modern model 18 in the list at page 38 and one with the old “lange Morser” model at page 41.
The last check was with Lexicon site, it gives for both battalions an organization based on two 30,5 cm Morser batteries (KStN 487) and one 10 cm gun battery (KStN 454). This seems correct, and the information in this site state that the 10 cm gun battery was substituted by one with 21 cm howitzer (Mod 18) in February 40. That makes sense and for me it is the correct organization, but I have no original source quoted.
Can anyone help me with this contradiction of the sources available, pointing out other elements I have not found and, if possible, quoting some primary sources?
All the best
Max.

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Re: Organization Heavy Artillery Battalion 1939

Post by Glynwed » 24 Sep 2023 11:21

Hallo, T78 Roll402 Item H1/84 Kriegsgliederung des Feldheeres, Stand 15.1.1940
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Re: Organization Heavy Artillery Battalion 1939

Post by Max104740 » 17 Oct 2023 13:17

Thank you Glynwed,
sorry for the late answer but I noticed your reply only today, this gliederung confirms Lexicon's indication for 1940, unforunately I have no similar document for 1939, all the Gliederung available for 39 are partial or not coherent with the organization of September, do you have something similar for 39?
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Re: Organization Heavy Artillery Battalion 1939

Post by Glynwed » 18 Oct 2023 08:56

Hallo, unfortunately, only info on both Abteilungen in 1939 I found:
624 was under Heeresgruppe Süd / 10. Armee / IV. Armeekorps (1.9.1939)
641 was under Heeresgruppe Süd / 14. Armee / VIII. Armeekorps (1.9.1939)

No more detail, only description on 1. Kompanie (10 cm Kanone) / 642 Abteilung from 30.8.1939 and simplified grafic symbol for 624. Abteilung under IV. Armeekorps from some August 1939 (see attachement).
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Re: Organization Heavy Artillery Battalion 1939

Post by Rogier » 18 Oct 2023 21:09

From BA-MA RH 2/1267, page 0102.

Unfortunately I could not find the referenced Besondere Anlage 2 zum Mob.Plan (Heer) 1939/40 online (at least, in a readable form). Is it available online somewhere?
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Re: Organization Heavy Artillery Battalion 1939

Post by Max104740 » 19 Oct 2023 14:35

Thank you to both ,
Glynwed, your information confirm the organization of 1939 with a 10 cm guns battery, can you give us where you found the information?
Rogier, thank you for the information, I think that the Mobilization Plan you are looking for is in T 78 R 424, available on line.
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Re: Organization Heavy Artillery Battalion 1939

Post by Glynwed » 20 Oct 2023 10:30

source: German docs in Russia / Findbuch 12482 / Akte 309 / page 42, 43

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Re: Organization Heavy Artillery Battalion 1939

Post by Max104740 » 20 Oct 2023 11:54

Thank you Glynwed

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