Unknown emblem on destroyed Panther...

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Post by James » 20 Jun 2002, 05:26

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Tank Markings

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Post by Al Carter » 20 Jun 2002, 15:35

James & Birgitte

Some of the triangle markings give the tank designation in its unit, but the other triangles I have no idea. This website about the Abrams gives a hint at the unit markings, but the tank has two other triangles with no discritpion.

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/abrams.htm

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#33

Post by Max » 20 Jun 2002, 17:02

I would have thought that the answer was quite obvious.
These pics indicate that as transport resources became stretched the German High Command out-sourced tank deployment to civil departments.
The symbol is not a French horn it is a Thurn and Taxis Postal Service Posthorn which is the symbol of the(B)avarian division of Deutsche Post .
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Post by Andy H » 22 Jun 2002, 12:11

Two idea's I have to be thrown to the wolves.

Firstly it was common practice amongst allied recovery units to mark enemy vehicles for ID purposes when awaiting disposal.

Also could this be a HG tank?. I know the divisional marking was to use a circle with a line as on a clock face to denote sub-units?

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Hermann Göring division

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Post by Christoph Awender » 22 Jun 2002, 16:00

As far as I know H.G. division did not have Panthers!

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Post by Ogorek » 22 Jun 2002, 21:48

The hunting horn was the symbol for French Chasseur units. Unfortunately my best source for Allied Order of Battle (by Rosignoli) is not accessable at the moment. So if there are any eager beavers out there, look for a combination of Chasseurs and an "8"

Bingo - The Rosignoli "ARMY BADGES AND INSIGNIA, Book 2, on plate 51 shows a badge for the "8th Chasseurs-on-Horse" with the horn/8 device at the lower corner. Now we need an eager beaver to confirm that this unit was in Italy.

I do not know whether the HG Division had Panthers in Italy, but they certainly had them in Warsaw during August 1944. Should anybody have any ideas about color schemes for Pathers at this time, I would greatly appreciate any leads.

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Post by Andy H » 23 Jun 2002, 20:50

Coulf the 8 just be a marking for the 8th Army in Italy, if indeed we are indeed Italy?

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Post by Wolfkin » 23 Jun 2002, 22:54

I am not sure at all, but to me it looks like a "B" inside of a bugle.

The terrain does look like Italy.

I am not saying this is a Hermann Goering Panther, but the HG Division did have Panther Tanks, on the Eastern Front though.

According to Panzertruppen Volume Two, on page 206, the Fallschirm Panzer Division Hermann Goering was sent to the Eastern Front in August 1944. The Panzer Regiment had it's II Abteilung with 64 PzkpfwIV and 8 FlakPz and it's III Abteilung with 31 JagdpanzerIV.

On page 218, we see that the I Abteilung of the Hermann Goering Panzer Regiment was finally sent to join the division on the Eastern Front. The I Abteilung was equipped with Panther Tanks, and it was sent to the Eastern Front in November 1944 with 60 Pzkpfw V Panther.

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#39

Post by Ogorek » 24 Jun 2002, 00:41

Concerning the HG Panthers in Poland, On Augsut 2, 1944, the elite Kedyw commando group captured two Panthers from the HG on Okopowa street in the Wola district.

The HG was transiting Warsaw on their way to the front east of the city.

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#40

Post by saxon » 25 Jun 2002, 02:34

That is definately a B on both panthers.
The top panther seems to me to be guarding the road. !!
There is another armoured vehicle about 250m right of centre to it.
I would say it was southern europe possibly Sicily.

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answer from the veteran...

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Post by Christoph Awender » 26 Jun 2002, 08:07

Hello!

After having received the image from the OSS veteran. I tried to find out more things about the foto.

He replied today and told me that the foto was taken between July and September 1944 near the alps in France. So NOT ITALY like his son told me before.

Thanks for all the comments,
Christoph

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Panther markings

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Post by Simon H » 27 Jul 2002, 22:04

Hello Folks,
After a little sabaticle from the computer I got to thinking about Christophs Panthers. I finally figured out that the markings are most probably from a French "Brigade Chaussers". The stylised Horn motif appears on lapels/standards etc.

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 27 Jul 2002, 23:39

A solution - how great! - do you have a picture of their emblem?

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#44

Post by Luca » 28 Jul 2002, 01:40

Precious Members,
cause my friendly with beers barrels i can't understend well the interesting question.
If i remeber well i was look a veichle with 8 in the fine pics.
My poor question is = from where arrive the Members of this units and where he think to go?
If arrive from Osterreich i will very happy if (for second canche) some Members can inform me concern the acts of the 8 Jeager Reg. in Italian land...if exist.
Hoping that this personal poor comment no hurt nothing..
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#45

Post by Luca » 28 Jul 2002, 02:10

Dear Members,
i take the situation for know what is the pic that i showing.
Maybe after I WW meeting?
Thank You a lot.
Luca
PS = i hope that my alchoolics teories no hurt really here cause i REALLY no ve idea concern the piece that i show.
NB = ironia is for richs men :cry:

Verbund..verband = meeting?
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