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Re: Animal Units in Wehrmacht and Waffen SS

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Post by tigre » 18 Jan 2009, 16:30

Hello to all :D; two pictures dealing with the pferdekameraden.............

From: eBay auction (now expired).

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Post by tigre » 29 Jan 2009, 15:37

Hello to all :D; anyone here has heard of this...........

http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/Krieghund.htm

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Post by Bernd R » 31 Jan 2009, 20:46

New animals not mentioned and shown here - Camels

Via this topic Dr. Doll of the Kalmücken-Verband Dr.Doll
this excellent and extensive article (in german) about the Kalmücken, etc., is available
http://www.chessbase.de/nachrichten.asp?newsid=4478
Der Erinnerungswert von fast 5.000 Pferden war für die einheimischen Österreicher höher als derjenige der 12 Kamele, die als "exotisches Element" hätten auffallen sollen, aber nur den wenigsten Personen in Erinnerung geblieben sind (Karl C. Berger in Stadler/Kofler/Berger, a.a.O. S. 35). Diese Tiere sind eingegangen oder erschossen worden. Seinerzeit wurde ein spezieller Kamel-Friedhof angelegt, der jedoch nach Auskunft von Prof. Dr. Stadler ebenfalls noch nicht archäologisch erschlossen wurde.
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Laut Nellja Veremej hat Elsa-Baïr Gutschinowa, "die sich mit der bis heute verdrängten Seite der Geschichte in Kalmückien befasst", den Weg des Kalmücken-Verbandes von der Wolgasteppe bis nach Österreich anhand der Anweisungen bezüglich der in Europa exotischen Kamele rekonstruiert: "Das Auffälligste waren die Kamele." Hierzu ist anzumerken, dass die Verbindung zwischen Kalmücken und Kamelen nicht eindeutig ist, da auch deutsche Wehrmachtsangehörige Kamele einsetzten.
It is interesting and important to mention what's said about the camels in the most relevant passages.
The journey of the Kalmücken in german service ended in the area LIENZ in Austria. The first paragraph says that the Austrians do remember more the nearly 5.000 horses than the twelve camels which normally would be to expect to posess an higher mark of remembrance as an exotic element they surely were. These animals died or were shot. There was even installed a special camel cemetary that days. According to Pof. Dr. Stadler this facility is not researched with the measures of archeology.
The second paragraph says that the connection of Kalmücken and camels in not 100% evident because german Wehrmacht personnel was using camels also !

below the only authentic pic on that site

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Post by Vikki » 21 Mar 2009, 07:26

Marcus, tigre, and Bernd, excellent photos and information! I hadn't seen the latest ones until now, and they're great!

For some other interesting recently posted horse photos in the Militaria and Collecting section, see: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=150407


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Post by tigre » 21 Mar 2009, 14:17

Thanks Vikki, nice horses' shots indeed :wink:. All the best. Raúl M 8-).

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Post by tigre » 21 Mar 2009, 14:20

Hey guys, take a look on this (specially the BRITISH SUICIDE PIGEON WEAPON)?.............

http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/Nazi%20Pigeon.htm

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Post by Marcus » 28 Mar 2009, 16:34

Reichswehr pigeons from this thread: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 4&t=150909
A German motorcycle pigeon patrol near Berlin in 1932. Such pigeons were used to carry messages and undertake survey work by means of small cameras attached to the birds.
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Post by Vikki » 29 Mar 2009, 06:57

Marcus, regarding the photos you posted at http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 3#p1287193

What kind of dogs are these? I thought they might be Swedish Laphunds, but I've never actually seen a picture of those.

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A dog in the service of Border Customs Control:
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Post by tigre » 25 Apr 2009, 17:01

Hello to all :D; here goes a little complement dealing with the horses....

Pferde im einsatz – Horses in action.

In the peacetime, the horses were purchased in the German breeding areas. The mass of the riding horses and the draw horses came thereby from East Prussia followed by the Hanoverian for the same use. For the artillery and the light horse-drawn of the infantry Holsteiner, Oldenburger and Ostfriesen horses were used primarily as draw horses. The heavy draw horses were from the remaining breeding areas.

The horses were purchased at the age of three to four years as „ Remount “ by Remount commissions and were brought one year in Remount detachments without larger further training. Then they went for one year as „ young Remount “ to the troop and were carefully trained. Then another year as „ old Remount“ following with the actual training, likewise in the troop. Only with six to seven years they stepped as troop horses into their use, which took usually ten years.

In the homeland horse parks (Heimat-Pferde-Parks) the horses trained in the Remount detachments or riding and driving schools were assembled and transported by train to the horse parks of the armies (Pferde-Parks der Armeen). From the army horse parks to the veterinarian companies (Veterinär-Kompanien) of the divisions, them if necessary to the troops delivered if possible by railway or motorized horse motor convoy, otherwise ridden.

Fuente: Prof. Dr. Hans Jöchle (1892-1968) - Ein Leben für den Hufbeschlag
Quellen und Materialien zur Geschichte der Tierärztlichen Fakultät der Universität München. Stefanie Albrecht.
http://www.bundesarchiv.de/aktuelles/au ... index.html

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Post by Vikki » 26 Apr 2009, 07:49

Interesting information, Raul, at least to me, on the breeds that were used. So is the information on the length of training and age of the horses by the time they were supposed to be ready for cavalry service. One wonders how often those time and age regulations were adhered to during the war, and especially toward the end of the war.


tigre wrote: The horses were purchased at the age of three to four years as „ Remount “ by Remount commissions and were brought one year in Remount detachments without larger further training. Then they went for one year as „ young Remount “ to the troop and were carefully trained. Then another year as „ old Remount“ following with the actual training, likewise in the troop. Only with six to seven years they stepped as troop horses into their use, which took usually ten years.
Some photos of the women who often performed the training for the Remount units. Originally posted here on the Forum by Heimatschuss, from the Gylsen Photo Archives, at http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=7502
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Re: Animal Units in Wehrmacht and Waffen SS

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Post by tigre » 26 Apr 2009, 08:10

Thanks Vikki :wink:. Nice pictures........and raiders. Cheers. Raúl M 8-).

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Post by Vikki » 26 Apr 2009, 09:21

tigre wrote:Thanks Vikki :wink:. Nice pictures........and raiders. Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
Raiders on horseback are always more fun when they're female, aren't they? :D

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Post by tigre » 26 Apr 2009, 10:40

Of course Mam :lol: . All the best. Raúl M 8-).

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Post by tigre » 02 May 2009, 00:08

Hello to all :D; more follows...................

The Cavalry Squadron within the Reconnaissance Detachment (Reiter-Schwadron der Aufklärungs-Abteilung).

A Reconnaissance Detachment comprised 623 men, 260 horses (often more), 5 horse-drawn vehicles and 130 motorized vehicles (of it however only 2 - 3 armored reconnaissance vehicles). The main task of the reconnaissance detachment was to serve as scouts elements for the infantry. Despite their insufficient technical equipment, they would fulfill this task successfully.

Source: Prof. Dr. Hans Jöchle (1892-1968) - Ein Leben für den Hufbeschlag
Quellen und Materialien zur Geschichte der Tierärztlichen Fakultät der Universität München. Stefanie Albrecht.
http://www.bundesarchiv.de/aktuelles/au ... index.html

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