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Post by wajdi » 31 May 2006 09:27

As I understand it, Whitmann started out in a tank destroyer, which had to be mostly aimed by turning the entire vehicle on its treads. He later (after transitioning to the Tiger I) utilized this technique to amplify the slower turret turning speed, thereby placing Balthazar on target more quickly than the opposing target. This is a fine example of what the US military pounds into its tank crews: coordination, teamwork and training. I cite Ft. Irwin as a major example. There, newly formed tank crews get thrown into simulated battle, and harshly critiqued at the end of each engagement. Granted, there have been MAJOR advances in equipment, but what it all boils down to in the end is crew coordination and preparation--training. AND knowing the advantages and disadvantages of your equipment and how to exploit them to the utmost. It's the men, not necessarily the machine that makes a successful combat unit.

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Post by Panzermacher » 31 May 2006 17:57

wajdi wrote:As I understand it, Whitmann started out in a tank destroyer, which had to be mostly aimed by turning the entire vehicle on its treads. He later (after transitioning to the Tiger I) utilized this technique to amplify the slower turret turning speed, thereby placing Balthazar on target more quickly than the opposing target.

wajdi

As I understand it, this was a normal Panzer Training Technique, there were 2 reason, the first as you have already stated the second to present the "thickest Armour" ie, Frontal armour towards the enemy vehicle in case of return fire.

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Post by Nvidia » 23 Jun 2006 22:22

Just play the game ; Sudden Strike :P

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Post by Larry Thorne » 25 Jun 2006 15:42

And Steel Panthers:WW2 (now Windows version) too;)

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Post by jp.négre » 29 Jun 2006 20:03

Hello
I would like ta add some names of "aces" of the SturmArtillerie:
*Ernst ALEX - 27 kills - StGAbt 243 - RK on 01/08/1941
*Herbert AMAN - 42 kills - StGAbt 905 - RK on 10/02/1944
*Otto ANGEL - 36 kills - PzJgAbt 6 - RK on 15/03/1945
*Heinz ANGELMAÏER - 23 kills - StGBrigade 279 - RK on 18/02/1945
*Albert BAUSCH - 29 kills - StGAbt 285 - RK on 10/02/1944
*Karl Erich BERG - 12+ kills - StGAbt 191 - RK on 06/04/1944
*Ludwig BERTRAM - 12+ kills - StGBr 237 - RK on 12/08/1944
*Wolfgang von BOSTELL - 28 kills - StGAbt 205 - RK/EL on 30/04/1945
*Gerhard Alfred BRANDT - 35 kills - StGBr 202 - RK on 12/12/1944
*Martin BUHR - 29 kills - StGAbt 202 - RK on 11/09/1943
*Günther CHRZONSZ - 23 kills - StGAbt 277 - RK on 12/11/1943 (NB. changed his name in CARSTEN)
*Friedrich DATH - 25 kills - StGBr 286 - RK on 09/12/1944
*Reinheld ERTEL - 27 kills - StGAbt 276 - RK on 31/01/1944
*Heinrich FELDKAMP - 12 kills - StGBr 341 - RK on 14/04/1945
*Friedrich HENKE - 38 kills - SS StGAbt 1 - RK on 12/02/1944
*Ahrend HÖPER - 47 kills - StGBr 202 - RK on 26/11/1944
*Kurt KIRCHNER - 30+ - StGBatterie 667 - RK on 20/02/1942
*Johannes KOCHANOWSKI - 55 kills - StGAbt 201 - RK on 15/10/1942

.......To be continued

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Post by Maigewitter » 29 Jun 2006 21:29

Christen, Fritz-15 kills with PJA Totenkopf in a single engagement using a towed 5cm Pak for which he received the KC as the first enlisted man and the youngest man in the Waffen SS to be awarded the KC on 10/20/41.


My source (Die SS - Gordon Williamson) say that he had been awarded with the KC on the 24.10.1941. Hm whats correct now? :idea:

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Post by jp.négre » 30 Jun 2006 04:53

Hello

Another "aces" of the Sturmartillerie:
*Richard Otto KRAMER - 35 kills - StGBr 232 - RK on 30/04/1944
*Ludwig LAUBMAEIR - 38 kills - StGBr 191 - RK on 04/10/1944
*Waldemar LUTZ - 47 kills - StGAbt 245 - RK on 02/10/1942
*Wilhelm von MALACHOWSKI - 35+ kills - StGAbt 228 - RK/EL on 06/03/1943
*Edo MÜLLER - 46 kills - StGAbt 244 - RK on 25/01/1943
*Kurt NIPPES - 17 kills - StGAbt 275 - RK on 29/11/1944
*Felix PRZEDWOJEWSKI - 45 kills - SS.StGAbt 3 "Totenkopf" - RK on 16/12/1943
*Josef ROHRBACHER - 56 kills - StGBr 245 - RK on 04/05/1944
*Konrad SAUER - 65 kills - StGBr 353 - RK on 30//04/1944
*Kurt SCHLIESSMANN - 29 kills - StGBr 286 - RK on 15/01/1945
*Johann "Hans" SCHMITT - 75 kills - StGAbt 261 - RK on 30/04/1945
*Richard SCHRAMM - 30+ kills - StGAbt 202 - RK on 23/12/1943
*Helmut SCHWALB - 40 kills - StGBr 190 - RK on 23/08/1044
*Josef SCHWARZENBACHER - 25+ kills - StGBr 912 - RK on 27/08/1944
*Julius SERCK - 32 kills - StGBr 300 (F) - RK on 23/03/1945
*Bernhard SOWADA - 21+ kills - StGAbt 237 - RK on 12/10/1943
*Johann SPIELMANN - 48 kills - StGBr 202 - RK/EL on 28/03/1945
* Friedrich TADJE - 39 kills - StGAbt 190 - RK on 21/10/1943
*Heinrich Karl TIMPE - 59 kills - StGBr 300 (F) - RK on 07/05/1945
*Gottfried TORNAU - 40 kills - StGBr "Führer Begleits Brigade" - RK on 05/03/1945
*Josef TRÄGNER - 30 kills - StGAbt 667 - RK on 23/08/1943
*Rolf von SANTA TRUXA - 25 kills - StGBr 190 - RK on 17/12/1943
*Hans-Joachim WAGNER - 9 kills - StGBr 286 - RK on 25/01/1945
*Klaus Herbert WAGNER - 22 kills - StGAbt 667 - RK on 04/09/1942
*Paul WEGENER - 40+ kills - StGAbt 237 - RK on 18/10/1943
*Albert WITTE - 56 kills - StGBr 394 kills - RK on 11/03/1945
*Erich ZILLMANN - 48 kills - StGBr 245 - RK on 11/03/1945
*Kurt Heinrich ZITZEN - 22 kills - StGAbt 177 - RK on 04/08/1943


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Post by von_noobie » 12 Aug 2006 05:02

Lucky for the brits none of these guys were in holland when they launched Market Garden,

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Post by kugellehr » 15 Aug 2006 16:48

Anyone read Pazer Aces by Franz Kurwiosci (sp?) and Tiger Ace by Michael Simpson? Those books are both amazing stories back to pack. Also Otto Carius's Tigers in the Mud is also great. Those guys were some of the bravest guys ive ever heard of. Many of them didnt agree with the ideals of the nazi party (even some in the SS) but they fought for Germany. Very interesting reads about the aces.

or just go play steel panthers :)

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Post by von_noobie » 15 Aug 2006 22:33

Thats the hard cold truth about ww2, Many of the men who fought didnt beleive in the nazi's.

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Post by Andy H » 17 Aug 2006 20:01

von_noobie wrote:Thats the hard cold truth about ww2, Many of the men who fought didnt beleive in the nazi's.


Also the cold hard truth, to use your words, also aplies in that many did, and that both figures waxed & wained as the war progressed.

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 17 Aug 2006 21:32

jp.négre wrote:Hello

Another "aces" of the Sturmartillerie:
**Johann "Hans" SCHMITT - 75 kills - StGAbt 261 - RK on 30/04/1945

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He never received the KC !! Not mentioned in the Veit Scherzer-book !!

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Post by bollox » 06 Sep 2006 05:48

for Attn: steuner,
you are correct in 3x stalin , 4x T34 for REMY SCHRYNEN
27th SS Freiwilligen-panzergrenadier Division Langemarck for this he received the Knights Cross

and also 10 years in prison for his trouble upon return to Belgium

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 06 Sep 2006 06:50

Two for the tank aces list :

Ofw. Georg Schäfer with 40+ , see :

http://www.ritterkreuztraeger-1939-45.d ... -Georg.htm

and Lt. Hans Babo von Rohr , 58 , 3 of them with PzFst , see :

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Per ... ohrHBv.htm

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Post by Dougmac » 07 Sep 2006 18:53

For the people who can read Russian (some members from Germany should be able to do it I guess) the following link may be very useful:
http://armor.kiev.ua/Battle/WWII/
Here are a lot of "That side" sources concerning the tank battles of WWII.
Regarding the high scores of German tank - killers, there is one fact which escaped your attention. Myself I learned it only from an occasional master thesis my friend wrote for sale and showed me. While talking about T34-76/85 please remember, that during Stalingrad and Kursk Battles many of these had armor of 20mm, due to lack of steel and many tanks were produced on plants, where there were no roofs above the heads of workers for few month (many of them started production November - January, so you can imagine, what it was in Siberia...), so the quality of those boxes was not even close to the pre - war T34.

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