High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

[alcius]

On Siebert, I too did not find any newspaper clippings.
Besides Tracesofwar and Ritterkreuztrager 1939-45, I only found this one, I don't know if you already know it.

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Antonio

[Gastolli]

Besides Tracesofwar and Ritterkreuztrager 1939-45, I only found this one, I don't know if you already know it.

Hello Antonio,

no, thank you, I didn't know that one. But please keep in mind that this 4 T34 + 1 Sturmgeschütz, and than another 5 tanks were the score of the TWO Sfl. Marder from Ofw. Siebert, I would expect a personal score between 3 to 7 tanks for Siebert ...

Of course, as always, this total could be, must be, higher over the course of the war.

Oliver

[alcius]

Thanks Oliver
Here's another one, which I know nothing about.
Zeitung 15 March 1944
Der Obergefreite Mantelkow von der 1. Kompanie der Panzerjäger-Abteilung dieser Division schoß mit seinem Geschütz allein sieben feindliche Kampfwagen ab.

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Antonio

[Gastolli]

Der Obergefreite Mantelkow von der 1. Kompanie der Panzerjäger-Abteilung ...

Hello Antonio!

Well, that caused some digging as I have not that much information on towed Pak units, but I had some time today, so ...

First, please change the name to Mandelkow.

A name like Mantelkow didn't exist in Germany, but Mandelkow, and it's confirmed by this entry from AOK 18 files (NARA T312-R930, p. 00912):

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So it's 1./Pz.Jg.Abt. 121 (121. Inf.Div.), and date was 11.3.1944

Another thing:
I think (I'm nearly sure) that this was Arthur Mandelkow, see here:
https://www.volksbund.de/erinnern-geden ... 816571e442

This family name isn't that common in Germany, his age, his rank (Unteroffizier, former Obergefreiter) and especially his place of death, which seems to be in the 121. Inf.Div. sector for that date, 22.9.1944, causes me to bet on this man!

Oliver

[alcius]

Thanks Oliver
another one I know nothing about
Oberfeldwebel Haslinger - Stug - 4 kills
Newspapers 19 December 1944

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Antonio

[Gastolli]

Ah, thank you, I found him in the privatly printed unit history of Pz.Jg.Abt. 100 (100. Jägerdivision), which I have seen many years ago, so, well, I found him in my notes which I haven't evaluated yet!

But, there's nothing more inside this chronik (other aces), apart from this obvious highlight of the Sturmgeschütz-Kompanie of 100. Jäg.Div.

As for the action involving Ofw. Haslinger we can read:


Chronicle:
30.10.1944 Die 2. Kompanie verlässt per Bahntransport Mielau mit 10 Jagdpanzern IV (i.e. Sturmgeschütz IV) und ist ab nun die Jagdpanzer-Kompanie 1100.
04.11.1944 Die 2. Kompanie ist wieder bei der Abteilung [...]. Wir kommen in Humenne [Ostslowakei] zu den Abt.-Kameraden.
23.11.1944 5 Jagdpanzer der 2. Kp. schlagen ihre 1. und erfolgreiche Panzerschlacht mit 20 russischen T34, wovon 10 abgeschossen werden. Dadurch wurde bei Zavatka der Durchbruch durch die Linien der benachbarten 101. Jäger-Division vereitelt. Für den erfolgreichen und tapferen Einsatz werden alle Beteiligten vom Kommandeur der 101. Jäg.Div., Gen.Maj. Assmann, ausgezeichnet. Haslinger Ferdl wurde damals von uns zum Ritterkreuz des EK eingereicht, weil er allein 4 Feindpanzer abgeschossen hatte mit seiner Besatzung. Da er jedoch das EK I. Klasse noch nicht hatte, wurde ihm erst dieses verliehen.


copy from the divisional newsletter "Der Bergschuh" within the chronicle:
Besondere Anerkennung für unsere Panzerjäger:
Während der Unterstellung unserer Panzerjäger (= 2. Komp./P 100) in einer benachbarten Division (= 101. Jäger-Division) hat sich die Sturmgeschütz-Kompanie des Oblt. Eckert besonders bewährt. Im Anerkennungsschreiben des Kommandeurs dieser Division heisst es unter anderem: "Im schneidig vorgetragenen Angriff hat die Kompanie dem Gegner schwerste Verluste zugefügt. Besonders am 1. Einsatztag, als der Feind mit zahlreichen Panzern auf der Rollbahn nach Westen vorstiess, hat sie im kühnen Angriff 10 Panzer vernichtet und einen für die Gesamtfront der Division gefährlich werdenden Vorstoss zerschlagen. Oblt. Eckert hat, im vordersten Sturmgeschütz fahrend, selbst 2 Panzer abgeschossen."
Beim gleichen Einsatz schossen Ofw. Ferdl Haslinger 4, die Fw. Seitner 2, sowie Schabasser und Schäfer mit ihren Besatzungen je 1 russischen Panzer T34 ab.
Diese 10 Panzer wurden aus einer russischen Übermacht (20 T34 gegen nur 5 Jagdpanzer IV) herausgeschossen und war dies am 23. November 1944 bei Zavatka in der Ostslowakei.


So, here we have the score of Pz.Jg.Kp. 1100 for 23.11.1944:
4 T34 = Ofw. Ferdinand Haslinger (EK 1)
2 T34 = Oblt.d.R. Emil Eckert (EK2 and EK 1)
2 T34 = Fw. Herbert Seitner (EK 2)
1 T34 = Fw. Alois Schabasser (already had the EK 1)
1 T34 = Fw. Josef Schäfer (EK 1)

Oliver

[alcius]

Great Oliver, thank you
another one I know nothing about
Unteroffizier Grohner - Panther- 5 kills
Newspaper 15 August 1944

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Antonio

[Gastolli]

Unteroffizier Grohner - Panther- 5 kills

Hello Antonio,

first, it's "just" three (3) tank kills, as the two T34 hiding in the forest pulled back (I think it's just mentioned by the newspaper in order to make clear the threat coming from these soviet tanks in that area).

Otherwise ..., no, I have no clue yet.
Name could also be Krohner (as rare as Grohner) or Groner or Kroner (latter two much more common names).

I think, that he could have been from I./Fallschirm-Panzer-Regiment "Hermann Göring" (or maybe I./Pz.Rgt. 27), as this action also is mentioned in the front newspaper "Eichkater", which had some accounts from "Hermann Göring" soldiers also.

Oliver

[alcius]

Thanks, Gastolli
Another.
Feldwebel Meier - pak - 12 kills
Der Enztäler (11.2.1944) 35
https://digital.kreisarchiv-calw.de/kaw ... 20meier%22

meier feldwebel.png

Antonio

[Gastolli]

Feldwebel Meier - pak - 12 kills

Hello Antonio,

ah, he indeed has 18 kills, 12 tank kills shortly before the last engagement, and than another 6 tanks during the fights "on Tuesday" to which the newspaper refers to! That would be 8.2.1944.

But ..., I don't know, I can't find any Maier, Mayer, Meier or Meyer with an higher award fitting for this Feldwebel Meier?

Newspaper also stated, that this was in the Witebsk area. I can say that it wasn't in the VI. AK sector, I have seen this files a few weeks ago, relatively calm on 8.2.1944. I expect LIII. AK sector ...

Hm ...

Oliver

[alcius]

I saw that the famous battle of 27/1/1945 was not included, where 4 Konigstigers of 2./S.Pz.Abt.509 destroyed 41 T-34s.
Feldwebel Walter Bauer - 13 kills
Oberfeldwebel Gustav Neuhaus - 15 kills - GCinG
Feldwebel Kollmannsberger - 11 kills
Major Hans-Jurgen Burmester - 2 Kills - KC

Antonio

[Gastolli]

I saw that the famous battle of 27/1/1945 was not included, where 4 Konigstigers of 2./S.Pz.Abt.509 destroyed 41 T-34s.

Hello Antonio,

oh, yes. It's so well known that nobody anticipated they are not included yet

Here is one of my own, I think he also isn't in this thread. At least, I for myself was asking my time and again if he has some newspaper clipping, anywhere? Yes, here it is:

Leutnant d.Res. Herbert Meyer, s.Pz.Abt. 502

Offenburger Tageblatt 24.11.43 - Meyer (s.Pz.Abt. 502).png

EK2 and EK1: 11.2.1943
Anerkennungsurkunde: 27.5.1943 (for action 10.-17.2.1943 at Nikolskoje)
Deutsches Kreuz in Gold: 30.12.1943
Ehrenblattspange: 27.3.1944 (for action on 21.1.1944 at Gatschina)

He died 21.1.1944 as Führer of 1./s.Pz.Abt. 502.

The action described in the newspaper refers to his achievments for which he got the Anerkennungsurkunde. The Book "Tiger" (Kleine/Kühn) claims, that on 11.2.1943 his Zug (3 Tiger, 3 Panzer III) destroyed 32 KWI in the sector of 4. SS-Pol.Div. at Mischkino, date could also have been 12.2.1943 I think, I'm not sure on that (needs further research in relevant files).

The book claims 14 tanks on 17.2.1943 shot by Kgr. Meyer (2 Tigers, 2 Pz III, 3 Sturmgeschütze), of which Lt. Meyer alone destroyed 10 KWI. The second Tiger was that of Ofw. Bölter, but he had a damaged main gun, so 4 tank kills shared by 2 Pz III and 3 Sturmgesch.

The book also mentions the gunner of Lt. Meyer for these actions:
Unteroffizier Johann Pfeffer (got the EK1 for that).

Oliver

[alcius]

Hello Oliver
I had found it too, but I hadn't put it because I thought it was already inserted. I got confused with another Forum, I don't remember which one, where I had read that more than 30 kills had been attributed to him.

Antonio

[Gastolli]

Hallo Antonio,

well ..., Meyer, not easy to track him, isn't it?



I also think that he could have well over 30 tank kills to his credit as Tiger Abteilung 502 had some heavy fighting beforehead after the events described in the newspaper, up to Meyer's death in January 1944. The Deutsches Kreuz in Gold plus the Ehrenblattspange in additon to his Anerkennungsurkunde speaks for itself I would say.

Oliver

[alcius]

Unfortunately I can't find it anymore.
If I were to track him down...!
However I have two Becker to insert.
Oberfeldwebel Wilhelm Becker - Pz.Jg.Abt.1299
KC on 2/18/!945
Zeitung 10/3/1945

becker oberfeldwebel.png

I don't know how many he destroyed personally.

Antonio