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Re: German detailed losses 1939

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Post by William Russ » 12 Aug 2010, 16:02

Hi All,
I ran across these pages yesterday while scanning the 8th Army records. These cover a longer time period than the previous pages so these may be more helpful. These are from T312/44/7556018 and 7556019

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Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 12 Aug 2010, 18:35

Very strange and in many cases (see below) certainly not reliable figures.

They removed the entire column with MIA losses while KIA & WIA numbers remained practically the same?!

I've got much different data for most of these divisions. 50 Inf.Div., 208. Inf.Div. for example. According to the document these divisions suffered no losses at all 8O, while this is completely incorrect as for example 50. Inf.Div. lost 192 KIA, 61 MIA and 397 WIA. This includes at least 9 KIA officers, these officers of 50 ID were KIA:

- Lt. Bucholtz, II./Art.Rgt.50 (50. Inf.Div.) - KIA on 02.09.1939
- Lt. Ernst Graf von Schoenburg-Glachau, Inf.Rgt.123 (50. Inf.Div.) - KIA on 04.09.1939
- Lt. Theodor Ebeling, Inf.Rgt.121 (50. Inv.Div.) - KIA on 06.09.1939
- Lt. d. R. Gerhard Keller, Inf.Rgt.123 (50. Inv.Div.) - KIA on 06.09.1939
- Oblt. Erich Otto Prahl, Inf.Rgt.121 (50. Inv.Div.) - KIA on 06.09.1939
- Hptm. Heinz Rost, Inf.Rgt.122 (50. Inv.Div.) - KIA on 06.09.1939
- Lt. Ludwig Rothert, Inf.Rgt.122 (50. Inv.Div.) - KIA on 06.09.1939
- Lt. Friedrich Schmidt, Inf.Rgt.122 (50. Inv.Div.) - KIA on 06.09.1939
- at least one more, unknown surname and rank so far (50. Inv.Div.)

Sources: "Namentliche Zusammenstellung der Offiziersverluste" (NARA T311 R198) + Volksbund database.

This wesbite gives slightly smaller losses (just 133 KIA instead of 192) but also 9 KIA officers:

http://www.50-infanterie-division.de/Ka ... tseite.htm

Also 208. Inf.Div. according to my sources lost 176 KIA, 102 MIA and 359 WIA in Poland.

If it comes to 31. Inf.Div. - i've got the following very incomplete data on its losses:

- IR.12 in period 16 - 19 IX - 101 KIA, 389 MIA (including 140 KIA and 240 captured), 139 WIA
- IR.17 at Borowa on 5 IX (probably number of KIA NCOs & men incomplete) - 25 (10) KIA, 40 (0) MIA, 79 (5) WIA
- 10. Jaeger-Kp. of IR.17 (31. Inf.Div.) - in the entire campaign 18 men of this company were KIA

When it comes to 30. Inf.Div., it (without AA.30) lost ca. 795 (29) KIA + ca. 100 KIA from AA.30, as well as at least 117 MIA presumed dead and an estimated of 1800 WIA (of whom most were POWs, reported MIA at first):

In terms of KIA individual units of 30 ID lost (officers in brackets) - according to Hans Breithaupt:

* Inf.Rgt.6 - 219 (8) KIA
* Inf.Rgt.26 - 287 (7) KIA
* Inf.Rgt.46 - 245 (12) KIA
- III. battalion of IR.46 - at least 97 KIA (and probably it lost so many just in combats near Leczyca)
* Aufklarungs-Abteilung 30. - around 100 killed and missing presumed dead
* Art.Rgt.30 - 13 (1) KIA
* Pz.Jg.Abt.30 - 11 (1) KIA
* Pi.Btl.30 - 17 (0) KIA
* Kradm.-u.Spahzug.30 - 2 (0) KIA
* Werkst.Kp.30 - 1 (0) KIA

But there are also some bright sides of this document:

At least it confirms that 46. Inf.Div. was part of XIII. AK on 24.09.1939.

And figures for losses suffered on 24.09.1939 are useful.

But why the hell so huge discrepancies in some cases? Some divisions did not report their casualties or what?

All of this is very complicated. I don't know if I can trust those reports if they say that a division which lost 9 KIA officers and around 250 KIA and MIA in total (+ around 400 WIA) suffered no casualties at all. :roll:

This data is also inconsistent with the previous report of losses of III. AK posted by William.


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Post by nimbuss » 12 Aug 2010, 22:25

Peter,

I think 50.Inf.Div. suffered most losses, when it was out of 8. Armee. Am I wright?
So maybe this report shows the data about those units only from period they were in 8. Armee?

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Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 13 Aug 2010, 01:46

I think 50.Inf.Div. suffered most losses, when it was out of 8. Armee. Am I wright?
Depends on when exactly it was attached to 8. Army. If it comes to losses, despite the fact that most officer losses were suffered on 06.09.1939, large part of losses in general were most probably suffered after that:
Am 8. September marschierte man bis auf 20 km an Thorn heran.

Am 9. September erreichte man den Raum 25 km nordwestlich Wloclawek. Hier wurde die Aufstellung einer Kompanie pro Regiment von Marsch-Untauglichen gebildet, die den Regimentern langsam folgen sollten. Weiterhin wurden die unausgebildeten zu den Ersatz-Bataillonen zurückgeschickt.

Der 10. September hat Brzesc-Kujawski zum Ziel, wohin das IR 122 zusammen mit dem MG 8 befohlen wird. Das motorisierte Bataillon erhält am Zglowiaczka-Bach schweres Abwehrfeuer und bleibt liegen. Unterstützung bringt hierbei die Artillerie-Abteilung 101. Beide Einheiten stossen weiter auf Nowy Mlyn an und sperren den Übergang bei Kol. Michowice. Gegen 17.00 Uhr ist Nowy Mlyn durch die 1./122 eingenommen. Eine Krise gegen Abend wird bereinigt.

Am 11. September stösst das IR 122 südwärts auf Brzesc-Kujawski vor und marschiert weiter über Kruszyn auf Kowal. Vor Poddebice und Szatki versteifte sich der Widerstand auf bisher nicht erlebtes Niveau. Die Bataillone graben sich ein. Rechts geht das IR 121 bei Switoslaw und Skibice in Stellung

Am 12. September konzentrierten sich die Kämpfe vorwiegend auf die Bahnlinie Wlozlawek-Kutno, um so den Gegner enger einzuschließen und die Lücke zur 8. Armee zu verkleinern. Ein geplanter Angriff am frühen Nachmittag wird aufgrund schwerer Angriffe auf den Nachbarn abgesagt. Einige Einheiten, insbesondere das IR 123 erhielten diese Absage nicht und gingen wie geplant zum Angriff auf Skibice über.

Am 13. und 14. September wartete man gespannt die Kämpfe ab. Die Kampfgruppe Netze focht auch weiterhin gegen schwere Angriffe.

Am 14. September 1939 marschierte die 50. ID auf Gostynin und erhielt am Folgetag den Befehl, weiter nach Südosten auf Gostynin und Strzelce zu marschieren. Hier wollte man sich mit den Truppen von der Weichsel und von der Bzura vereinigen, um den Kessel zu schließen. Dazu wurden 2 Marschgruppen gebildet:

1. rechts IR 123 von Unislawice nach Süden über D. Modliborz, dann nach Südosten über Kanibrod, Janowo auf Lanieta, es folgte dahinter das IR 122

2. links IR 121 mit unterstellten Teilen des MG 8 auf der Chaussee nach Gostynin

Schon früh stieß IR 121 bei Dombrowo (8 km westlich Gostynin) auf den eingegrabenen Gegner und gegen Mittag erhielt auch IR 123 bei Lanieta Feindfühlung. Gegen Abend war Lanieta besetzt (123), ebenso D. Bolno und Niecki (122) und die 121er standen 6 km von Gostynin. Das Korps jedoch befahl Halten und eingraben, da man auf die Nachbarn, die Netze-Brigade und auf die 3. ID, warten musste, welche teilweise in schweren Abwehrkämpfen standen.

Am Morgen des 16. September stellte die Aufklärung fest, das sich der Gegner erneut zurückgezogen hatte und so marschierte man weiter vorwärts, überschritt die Skrwa und das IR 121 besetzte Gostynin. Die beiden anderen Regimenter schoben sich bis an die Strasse Kutno - Gostynin vor und trafen hier auf die Vorausabteilungen der 3. Leichten-Division. Rechts hatte man so wieder einen Nachbar und auch links nahm gegen Nachmittag die 3. Infanterie-Division Verbindung mit dem IR 121 auf.

Am 17. September erhielt die Division den Befehl auf Gombin vorzustoßen, das man gegen 14.00 Uhr erreichte. Unterwegs wurden Hunderte von Gefangenen eingebracht. Es schloss sich der Marsch in südostwärtiger Richtung nach Topolno an. Nach 12 km ergab sich ein kleines Gefecht bei Sanniki, der aber schnell von den 121ern gebrochen wurde. Hier erbeutete man zahlreiche Versorgungsfahrzeuge und brachte mindestens 1000 Gefangene ein.
For example while searching through the data from Volksbund database:

Nowy Mlyn - 6 KIA on 10.09.1939 are listed with this location
Poddebice poviat Wloclawek - 5 KIA are listed on VB with this location
Szatki - further 5 KIA are listed by VB with this Todesort
Skibice - 3 KIA listed by VB with this location on 12.09.1939

Etc., etc. - I haven't checked every single location mentioned in the text.

But as you can see the division clearly had losses at the Bzura.

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Post by Ypenburg » 13 Aug 2010, 20:59

nimbuss wrote: I think 50.Inf.Div. suffered most losses, when it was out of 8. Armee. Am I wright?
So maybe this report shows the data about those units only from period they were in 8. Armee?
This is exactly why Domen gets so confused over the figure's.

One has to check in which timeframe a certain Division was attached to an Armeekorps or directly to an Armee-Oberkommando. Then one has to check if all units of the Division were there or if, like sometimes happened, the AA /Pi.Btl. or a Regiment was attached to another Division and therefor within another Armee, to which it reported the losses. One also has to try to find, if they survived the war, the "Tägeliche Verlustmeldungen" of the Division, Armee or Armee-Oberkommando and check again if the losses are only of the Division-units or also of the attached unit(-s). It is all about making the right combinations and looking at the right places. Simply taking a casualty-report from 8. Armee over a certain time-period doesn't mean the Division served under command of that Armee all the time, or even in the frontline. It could as well be used as an Armee-Reserve during the last 4 days of that period and suffer no casualties.

Which make's a detailed losses-list a hell of a job ...... :wink:

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Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 14 Aug 2010, 13:21

You seem to be right about that Ypenburg and nimbuss.

However, I have some further doubts / questions / considerations:

There is a report in which XVIII. AK * reports its losses to 14. Army; losses of 7. ID are specified as:

KIA: 9 officers, 30 NCOs, 136 men
MIA: - officers, - NCOs, 5 men
WIA: 18 officers, 59 NCOs, 294 men

So you say that this refers only to casualties of this division during the period when it was part of XVIII. AK and not to casualties of this division since the start of the campaign? (at the start of the campaign it was part of XVII. AK)?

* Only losses of 1 GD, 2 GD and 7 ID are provided in this report. The reason of this is probably that 3 GD was detached from this Corps and withdrawn to Slovakia before this report was written (see also below **).

But then why Hertlein in "Chronik der 7. ID München" says that losses of this division "after 20 days" were:

KIA: 7 officers, 163 NCOs and men
MIA: 1 officer, 20 NCOs and men
WIA: 20 officers, 382 NCOs and men

Does Hertlein's data also refer to losses only when it was attached to XVIII. AK and not since 01.09.1939? This is very important because 7. Inf.Div. was part of XVII. AK at least during the first week of September and in this period it fought several combats and skirmishes, including one very difficult and hard battle near Wegierska Gorka.

Similar problems are with some fast (especially Mot. and Lei.) divisions within 10. Army.

These divisions were changing their Corps attachment few times each during the campaign.

But if a casualty report refers to losses of individual Corps of 10. Army (and divisions within these Corps), but was written by 10. Army (not by Corps themselves), then probably it includes losses of these divisions from the entire period (in this case 1 - 25 September or 1 - 28 September), not just from the last Corps attachment period of these certain divisions? Unless of course divisions were shifted from one army to another army during the campaign (but this was rather rare, much less frequent than shifting them between different Corps within the same army).

I'm refering now to that report on losses of XVI., XIV. and XV. Corps provided by William on page 11. Because there were numerous shiftings of entire divisions between these (and other) Corps during the campaign.

That's why confirmation of the fact that 46. Inf.Div. was part of XIII. AK on 24.09.1939 provided by the above posted report gladdened me, because for some period this division was also part of IV. AK and there is a casualty report of IV. AK dated late September 1939, but it doesn't include divisional breakdown of these casualties.

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Anyway - if IV. AK by the end of the campaign reported its losses during the campaign, and 46. Inf.Div. was not part of this Corps any more, then I assume that this report doesn't include losses of 46. Inf.Div. - just like for example XVI. Corps did not report losses of 31. Inf.Div. in those reports provided by William on pages 14 - 15, despite the fact that for some period 31. ID was part of XVI. Corps and only later it was shifted to another Corps? Or e.g. XVIII. AK did not report losses of 3 GD because it was detached from this Corps and moved to reserves in mid September?

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Post by Ypenburg » 14 Aug 2010, 21:53

Domen,
So you say that this refers only to casualties of this division during the period when it was part of XVIII. AK and not to casualties of this division since the start of the campaign? (at the start of the campaign it was part of XVII. AK)?
Unless there is a writing in the KTB that says differently....yes.
The Divisions usually reported daily to the AK they were commanded by. The AK would send a "Verlustmeldung" to the AOK (Armee). The AOK would make a "Verlustmeldung"over a 24 hr. period and after a certain period make a "Zusammenstellung der Verlustmeldung des ..... A.K."

{quote]Does Hertlein's data also refer to losses only when it was attached to XVIII. AK and not since 01.09.1939?[/quote]
Hertlein mentions his sources on only 1 page, and doesn't specify them (I have the 1984 print). Towards the KTB's he only mentions:
KRIEGSTAGEBUCH
u. weitere Übersichten
Bundesarchiv-Militärarchiv, Freiburg.
So one can only wonder which KTB's he used.

He also mentions:
Die 7.ID unterstand folgenden Armeekorps bzw. Armeen:
1939 ab Sept. XVII. AK 14. Armee Süd Slowakei/Polen
Okt. z. Vfg. 4. Armee "B" Niederrhein.
As you can see he doesn't mention XVIII. AK.

Since he doesn't mention how he got these figure's. I don't know the answer to your question.
But if a casualty report refers to losses of individual Corps of 10. Army (and divisions within these Corps), but was written by 10. Army (not by Corps themselves), then probably it includes losses of these divisions from the entire period (in this case 1 - 25 September or 1 - 28 September), not just from the last Corps attachment period of these certain divisions?
Generally speaking, if it is the "final" casualty-breakdown after the campaign has ended, yes. Since the breakdown of AK's and the units under there command on that list would be the breakdown as it is on the date the campaign stopped. So the figure's should be that of the entire campaign......as known on the date the list was made.

The only thing that could make a real difference is how they handeled the "Sonstige Verluste".
F.e. the "Zusammenstellung der Verlustmeldung des Gen.Kdo. X. AK für die Zeit vom 10.5.40 bis 16.5.40" mentions a "Sonstige Verluste": 1 Offz. verungl. . This is a wounded (Arm- u. Beinbruch during an accident) Officer, which is not counted to the "verw. Offiziere". Since I do not have a "final" list of the Armee I can't say if he was counted within the wounded or not at that list. If not, that could mean that all those wounded or killed during accidents where not counted within the "final" list.

But the most reliable losses-figure's were in the KTB's of the Divisions since they had them all.
And as we all know most KTB's were either destroyed, partly destroyed etc. during the war, one has to accept the fact that those detailed losses will never be as detailed (100% accurate) as we would want them to be.

This takes us to the point where I said "Which make's a detailed losses-list a hell of a job" :wink:

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Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 20 Aug 2010, 10:56

Thanks for explanations Ypenburg!

Coming back to that data provided by William:

If it comes to that report concerning losses of XI. and XIII. AK on 24.09.1939 - could losses suffered during the night from 24th to 25th of September be reported as losses on 24.09.1939? Because as far as I know there were no any attacks against Warsaw carried out by XI. or XIII. AK on 24.09.1939 (except for heavy artillery barrages). They started on 25.09.1939. Only after heavy artillery preparation some units of 19th Inf.Div. attacked Bemowo and "Babice" Communications Center defended by Polish III./26 pp under Mjr. Jacek Decowski during that night (hard to say if it was before midnight or after midnight). After heavy combats Germans penetrated into "Babice" but Mjr. Decowski carried out a counterattack with his reserve company, repulsing them back to their output grounds.

On World War II day by day website we read:
24.September 1939

8.Armee
is regrouping for the attack on Warschau and prepares the artillery bombardment on vital areas of Warschau.
3.lei.Div. replaced by 46.Inf.Div., 24.Inf.Div. replaced by 18., 19.Inf.Div.

19.Inf.Div.:

The division moves into the frontline around Warschau with Inf.Rgt.74 right, Inf.Rgt.73 in the middle and Inf.Rgt.59 to the left. Inf.Rgt.59: Arrives in the area Lipkow as divisional reserve. Inf.Rgt.73: The regiment moves into the front around Warschau. The regiment lies in front of the long row of transmitters of the Warschau radio station.

In the evening I./73 camps west of the road Babice – Janow and sends out forward guards to the transmitters. III./73 to the left of I.Btl. also sands at the transmitters while II./73 is reserve behind I.Btl. I./73: In the afternoon the order for the attack on Warschau arrive. The companies had to be ready at 14:00. The battalion should march to Babice and attack to the cross road at Gorce. 16:00 the battalion marches off. The battalion camps west of the village Kmirynow and sets up field guards at the radio antennas. 1st in front, 2nd in the middle, 3rd behind. The night is very cold.
Besides, it would be interesting to see reports concerning losses of XI. and XIII. AK on 25.09.1939, 26.09.1939 and 27.09.1939 when these Corps were involved in heavy attacks and assaults against the western and southern parts of Warsaw. At the same time 3. Army's I. AK was assaulting Warsaw from the east (Praga district).

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Post by William Russ » 25 Aug 2010, 21:37

Hi All,
More fuel for the fire. This time I came across the losses for the 3rd Borderguard Command. I had already scanned two other rolls with borderguard command documents but they did not have their losses. Kind of disappointing. So this gives a rare look into their losses. This comes from NARA T314/840/230.

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Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 25 Aug 2010, 22:57

Hi William, thanks - this is very useful.

Vast majority of losses of 239. Inf.Div. were suffered during combats in Katowice.

I came across the same numbers in a Polish secondary source "Działalność hitlerowskiej organizacji dywersyjnej Ebbinghaus we wrześniu 1939 roku w świetle materiałów niemieckich" ("Activities of Nazi sabotage organization Ebbinghaus in September 1939 in the light of German documents") published by Andrzej Szefer in 1975.

Except for losses of Bau.-Batl.130 which are not given there. And slightly different losses for 239 Inf.Div. are given there (9 KIA and 23 WIA - strangely Szefer doesn't say anything about those 6 MIA from this division), while losses of Org.-Ebbinghaus are given by Szefer as 183 KIA in total, but 175 (instead of 174) on 01.09.1939.

He also doesn't provide daily breakdown and quotes only overall Grenzwacht losses (8 KIA, 13 WIA).

As his primary source Szefer mentions Kriegstagebuch des Grenz-Abschnitts-Kommandos 3.

So apparently he commited a few typos while quoting this data.

Btw:

Organisation Ebbinghaus was also known as Freikorps Ebbinghaus, K-Organisation Ebbinghaus, Sonderformation Ebbinghaus, Kamftrupp Ebbinghaus, Kampfverband Ebbinghaus and Falken-Komandos Ebbinghaus.
I had already scanned two other rolls with borderguard command documents but they did not have their losses. Kind of disappointing.
Maybe they didn't suffer any losses? Which borderguard commands were they?

PS:

Have you come across losses of XI. AK and XIII. AK for period 25 - 27 September?

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Post by William Russ » 26 Aug 2010, 00:01

Hi Domen,
Well, its shows that my memory is not what it used to be :( . It was only the 14th Borderguard Command that I had already looked at. I have not looked at the 13th Borderguard Command microfilm roll yet. Hopefully, it will yield a loss report.
Not sure about the XI and XIII Corps. I'll have to look at my lists tomorrow.

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Postscript: I had a moment to look and the XI and XIII Corps rolls are coming up in the rotation. Maybe in a couple of weeks...no promises though :wink: .

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Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 26 Aug 2010, 08:30

Hmm but anyway 14th Borderguard Command suffered losses - for example 183. Landwehr-Regiment.

183. Landwehr-Regiment supported by artillery crossed the Polish border and attacked Krotoszyn but was repulsed in the area Bestwin - Zduny - Chachalnia - Sulmierzyce - Uciechow by units of 56. Inf.Rgt. from 25 DP:

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Also 13th Borderguard Command suffered losses. Mainly during combats for Rawicz and Leszno but also in other places. For example Mjr. Wilhelm Kleinau (commander of II./Art.Rgt.66) was KIA in the region of Droltowice near the village of Biala Rzadowa during a counterattack carried out by Polish tankettes from 92. company of reconnaissance tanks. In general tasks of German GAKs in front of Army "Poznan" were the following:

GAK.13 was ordered to attack on Leszno - Rawicz and to tie Polish forces along this section
GAK.14 was ordered to attack on Krotoszyn - Sulmierzyce and to tie & recognize enemy forces
GAK.12 was ordered to carry out offensive actions on Zbaszyn - Miedzychod, simulating assault of major forces
GAK.2 was ordered to protect the southern wing of 4. Army and attack on the area Miedzychod - Czarnkow

In all these places fightings against units of Army "Poznan" occured.

By the way, William:
Speaking of divisions, I found this report from the 18th Division (see below).
What is the date of making this report? It includes losses from the entire campaign?

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Post by William Russ » 26 Aug 2010, 20:12

Hi Domen,
The German document gives no date covered but the note at the beginning of the file provided by the American committee that organized the files gives the date of September 1 - 29. Not sure where they got it from :roll: .

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Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 26 Aug 2010, 22:15

Hi William, thanks for your reply.

Coming back to casualties of III Armee-Korps for a moment:
I have not come across a breakdown for the III Corps divisions casualties yet. Only what is shown above. As to what units were under the corps on September 21, it appears that the 3rd Infantry, 50th Infantry, 208th Infantry Divisions and Group Netze were still under nominal control of the III Corps.
It seems that 50th and 208th might have been already under control of the X Corps of 8th Army.

3rd Inf.Div. was probably still under control of II Corps (was it ever transfered from II to III Corps?). At least 3. Inf.Div. was part of II Corps for great majority of the campaign as far as I know (alongside 32. Inf.Div.).

If it comes to losses of these units I've got the following data:

3 ID (only for period 11 - 18 September): 104 (including 6 officers) KIA + 17 MIA + 211 WIA
- and in the entire campaign at least 16 officers of 3 ID were killed (I've got surnames + dates)

So we can briefly estimate losses of 3 Inf.Div. as:

(104 : 6) x 16 = 277 KIA
(17 : 6) x 16 = 45 MIA
(211 : 6) x 16 = 563 WIA
Total estimated = 885

50 ID - 192 KIA (alternative data: 133 KIA), 61 MIA, 397 WIA = 650 or 591
Netze - 197 KIA, 48 MIA, 309 WIA = 554
208 ID - 176 KIA, 102 MIA, 359 WIA = 637

And your data for III Corps in period 1 - 21 September was: 358 KIA, 232 MIA, 1454 WIA = 2044.

So it seems that losses of only 2 or 3 out of these 4 divisions / brigades are included in the report.

Even if 3. Inf.Div. was part of III Corps on 21.09.1939, for the vast majority of the campaign it was part of II Corps. And it suffered vast majority of its losses as part of II Corps. So this report doesn't really include losses of 3 ID even if it really was part of III Corps on 21.09.1939, maybe apart from a few wounded or something like this.

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Post by William Russ » 06 Sep 2010, 19:06

Hi All,
I found more documents to download last week. I'm a little late as I had a lot of the old house work to do before Labor Day :( . I've got the day off today :D .
The first is a report from the 1st Mountain Division on it losses during the campaign. The second is a report from the XVIII Corps to 14th Army on its losses. It is interesting in the loss difference between the 1st Mountain Division losses in the reports. The September 25 report says 1405 whereas the September 27 says 1286. Not sure why it went down.
Anyway, the 1st Mountain Division report is from T314/594/213 and the XVIII Corps pages are from T314/594/372-373.

Hope everybody had a great Labor Day, Bill
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