German detailed losses 1939

[Jan-Hendrik]

But discharged / released from service for what reasons?

Too old, not fit enough, to qualified and needed elsewhere.....

Jan-Hendrik

[Ypenburg]

Can't remember if I posted this before, but found these figs in the KTB/Erfahr.Ber. AA9Pz BaMa Freiburg:

Aufkl.Rgt.9
3.9.39 4 Tote 6 schw.Verlt. 5 le.Verlt. 1 Todesunfall
5.9.39 1 Tote 1 schw.Verlt. 6 le.Verlt. 2 Unfälle (wounded) 1 Vermisst
6.9.39 4 schw.Verlt. 4 le.Verlt. 1 Unfall (wounded)
7.9.39 2 Tote 2 schw.Verlt. 2 le.Verlt. 1 Todesunfall, 2 Unfälle
9.9.39 1 Tote 1 le.Verlt. 1 Unfall
10.9.39 2 schw.Verlt. 2 le.Verlt. 4 Unfälle 1 Vermisst
11.9.39 1 Unfall
12.9.39 3 Tote 13 le.Verlt.
14.9.39 1 Vermisst
15.9.39 1 Unfall
21.9.39 7 Tote 15 schw.Verlt. 20 le.Verlt. 14 Vermisst

Totall.: 18 Tote 30 schw.Verlt. 33 le.Verlt. 2 Todesunfälle 12 Unfälle (wounded) 17 Vermisst

[Njorl]

There is also a report on losses of VII. AK on 29. and 30.09.1939 during operation "Dallmer-Zerbe":

4. Verluste bei Unternehmen Dallmer-Zerbe, 29/30.9.1939 (from KTB nr 1 Korpsarzt VII. AK), dated 13.10.1939:

29 (1) KIA, 48 (1) MIA*, 52 (2) WIA - most (all ?) of these probably suffered by Pz.Abw.Abt.27 from 27 ID.**

*If this includes also POWs then only those which hadn't returned until 13.10.1939 (as the total amount of POWs taken by Poles in those combats was 300 only near Dzwola, not including POWs taken near Janow and Polichna).

**But 300 was the overall number of POWs taken by Polish units near Dzwola. And maybe these casualties refer only to Pz.Abw.Abt.27 (without other units that participated in combats near Dzwola/Janow/Polichna).

Those casualties refer to 27. ID, 68. ID and Korpstruppen, with more than half of them attributed to 68. ID.

Domen, where did you get information about date for this document from?

Regards,
MJU

[Piotr Kapuscinski]

The KTB ends on 13.10.1939, so probably the report represents the knowledge on casualties as of 13.10.1939.

[Piotr Kapuscinski]

Can't remember if I posted this before

No. But it's interesting, thanks.

10.9.39 2 schw.Verlt. 2 le.Verlt. 4 Unfälle 1 Vermisst

According to the table "Übersicht über Gefechte, beteiligte Truppen, Beute und Verluste" which is among attachments to the KTB of 4. Lei.Div., losses of the entire division on that day were 2 Tote and 6 Verwundete.

However, the KTB itself directly mentions the following casualties on 10.09.1939:

"Stab III./A.R.109 stosst auf dem Vormarsch auf starke poln. Krafte, die sich in den Waldern versteckt halten. Der Kdr. fallt, 2 Offz., 6 Uffz. und Mannschaften werden schwer verwundet."

As well as:

"Tagsuber wird die Div. dreimal durch eigene Bomber angegriffen. 1 Toter und 3 Verletzte sind die Folge."

Add to this losses of Aukfl.Rgt.9 (4 wounded, 1 missing and 4 wounded in accidents).

In total this gives at least 3 KIA, 1 MIA, 15 WIA and 4 wounded in accidents on 10.09.1939.*

*Assuming that victims of Polish bombers (1 KIA, 3 WIA) were not from Aufkl.Rgt.9.

There is similar discrepancy in case of casualties on 03.09.1939 - the table says that losses on that day were 7 Tote, 33 Verwundete and 1 Vermisst, while the KTB itself mentions 18 Tote, 42 Verwundete and 12 Vermisste.

In other cases, the KTB itself doesn't say about daily losses. So in both cases (days) when KTB happens to describe casualties, they contradict those casualties listed by the attachment to this KTB. Quite strange.

Anyway, losses of 4. le.Div. were not smaller than 200 KIA, 101 MIA, 498 WIA (summ of losses on all days from this table) + 12 KIA, 12 MIA, 18 WIA (difference between the table and the KTB itself) = 212 KIA, 113 MIA, 516 WIA.

They were not smaller than these numbers, it seems however, that they might have been bigger.

The table includes losses from period 1 - 21 September (after 21st the division did not fight).

These are combat losses only, without accidents.

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Coming back to losses of 27. Inf.Div.:

So we already have 3 different casualty figures for the 27 ID available (officers in brackets):

1. Sanitatswesen VII. AK: Blutige Verluste bis zum 3 Oktober 1939, dated 08.12.1939:

27 ID - 264 (6) Tote, 216 Vermisste, 597 (25) Verwundete

2. Gesamtverluste der 27. Division vom 1.9.39. - 10.10.39:

27 ID - 258 (7) Tote, 73 (1) Vermisste, 591 (16) Verwundete, 767 (13) Erkrankte

3. Erfahrungsbericht der 27.Division, dated 25.10.1939:

27 ID - 272 (7) Tote, 60 Vermisste, 569 (20) Verwundete

As well as 58 (6) given to new units (?) and 463 discharged / released from service (?).

Strange because the first set of figures out of these 3 most likely still includes (among the MIA) some of the POWs who were later recaptured, yet the name of the report is "Blutige Verluste" ("Bloody Losses"). Not mentioning that it was written in December, probably later than all other reports (but it refers to losses only up to 3 October).

Anyway, there must have been wounded among those captured (MIA). Only evacuated (so known / accounted for) wounded were reported as WIA, wounded who were captured are included among those reported as MIA.

It seems that after the POWs were recaptured (including also those WIA), nobody bothered to correct the figure of wounded (that is, enlarge the number of WIA by adding those wounded POWs who were recaptured).

I observed the same regarding losses of 30 Inf.Div., but in that case, several thousands were captured, so there must have been hundreds of wounded among them. Yet here also nobody bothered to reassess the WIA figures.

And thus in post-war books on 30. Inf.Div. we've got such a weird proportion of KIA to WIA (1:0,9).

BTW:

I encountered a statement, that during Polenfeldzug German system of reporting WIA casualties was still a bit immature. Maybe that's why WIA numbers in reports are so relatively low compared to irrecoverable losses?

Is it possible that they underestimated the number of wounded in their immature reporting system? What has improved in accuracy of German casualty reporting after experiences of the Polish testing ground?

Or maybe really the number of wounded for each dead was relatively low compared to WW2 average?

If yes, then why exactly in Poland % of mortal casualties among all battle casualties was so high?

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BTW - why there is an opinion that German WW2 casualty reports were "especially" accurate?

From my experiences it turns out they aren't exactly distinguishing. See for example here:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0#p1545716

Also Richard Hargreaves agrees with me here:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p1520276

However, as Overmans shows, there are substantial discrepancies in casualty listing in the Heer.

On the other hand, it appears to me that Americans reported losses in a very detailed and accurate way.

This only confirms the above opinion about American casualty reporting methods:

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/ref ... ies-1.html

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq11-1.htm

Probably no other nation has made so detailed statistics on their WW2 losses.

However, there are also some inconsistencies, even in American data:

In case of Americans, some of the confusion also resulted from different methods of counting WIA:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0#p1558730

The problem with USMC reporting of wounded is also endemic...you find the same thing in Korea and Vietnam. Partly that's because the Corps usually maintained a 100% evacuation policy; it meant that often very lightly wounded were recorded as WIA and evacuated to an offshore hospital ship and then sent back after minimal treatment. Depending on how the casualty record was handled it might then be, or not be, counted as a "real" wounded in action. Again, that was often something reconciled long after the fact. Of course the decision for the individual Marine was important, because if you were "wounded" you were entitled to a Purple Heart...by such baubles men are led. The Army resolved the problem in atypically Army way, by creating a rule that wounded soldiers that were treated and released back to their unit were not counted as wounded by the Medical Corps, but were "Carded for Record Only" (CRO), which means that a wound card (they used IBM punch cards of course) was made up, but the "casualty" was not counted statistically. The end result is that their are odd anomalies between the USMC and the USA when it comes to ratios between dead and wounded.

Probably that's why the proportion of battle deaths (not including those died in captivity) to wounded in the Pacifc War is like 2,54 wounded to 1 dead in army ground forces, while around 3,44 wounded to 1 dead in USMC.

Exactly. It wasn't so much a matter that the ratios were different, but rather the numbers used to create the ratios were based upon different criteria.

Cheers!

[Njorl]

"Tagsuber wird die Div. dreimal durch eigene Bomber angegriffen. 1 Toter und 3 Verletzte sind die Folge."

Add to this losses of Aukfl.Rgt.9 (4 wounded, 1 missing and 4 wounded in accidents).

In total this gives at least 3 KIA, 1 MIA, 15 WIA and 4 wounded in accidents on 10.09.1939.*

*Assuming that victims of Polish bombers (1 KIA, 3 WIA) were not from Aufkl.Rgt.9.

Domen, eigene Bomber, not 'einige', ie. own bombers, not 'several'.

The KTB ends on 13.10.1939, so probably the report represents the knowledge on casualties as of 13.10.1939.

I would not be so sure. This KTB closes (geschlossen) on 13.10.1939, not ends on this date. It also contains reports written 'in the meantime', eg. dated 10.09.1939, so the document dealing with Dallmer-Zerbe not necessarily was writen on 13.10.1939.

9.9.39 1 Tote 1 le.Verlt. 1 Unfall

According to my data, Leutnant Prinz zu Salm-Horstmar and Schütze Andorsch were KIA when AT round hit turret of their armoured car.

Regards,
MJU

[Ypenburg]

9.9.39 1 Tote 1 le.Verlt. 1 Unfall

According to my data, Leutnant Prinz zu Salm-Horstmar and Schütze Andorsch were KIA when AT round hit turret of their armoured car.

The Leutnant indeed was reported kia on that date in the report, no mentioning of Andorsch.

7.9.1939 Leutnant Fischer (Zugführer 1./Aufkl.Rgt.9) wia (schw. verw.)
12.9.1939 Leutnant Dr. Siegfried Budik (2./Aufkl.Rgt.9) kia
14.9.1939 Oberleutnant "..lik und Wolthan" mia
15.9.1939 Leutnant Leinert (zugführer 3./Aufkl.Rgt.9) Unfall

Best regards,

[Piotr Kapuscinski]

"Tagsuber wird die Div. dreimal durch eigene Bomber angegriffen. 1 Toter und 3 Verletzte sind die Folge."

Add to this losses of Aukfl.Rgt.9 (4 wounded, 1 missing and 4 wounded in accidents).

In total this gives at least 3 KIA, 1 MIA, 15 WIA and 4 wounded in accidents on 10.09.1939.*

*Assuming that victims of Polish bombers (1 KIA, 3 WIA) were not from Aufkl.Rgt.9.

Domen, eigene Bomber, not 'einige', ie. own bombers, not 'several'.

Ups, you are right. So: "assuming that victims of that friendly fire were not from Aufkl.Rgt.9."

Unless there is a typo in the KTB and there should be "einige".

"Dreimal" sounds too many times for a friendly fire / mistake.

The Leutnant indeed was reported kia on that date in the report, no mentioning of Andorsch.

Yet he indeed was KIA there with that Lt. - Volksbund and one more source (see below) confirm:

Nachname: Andorsch
Vorname: Theophil
Dienstgrad: Schütze
Geburtsdatum: 11.06.1917
Geburtsort: Wien
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 09.09.1939
Todes-/Vermisstenort: 5 km westl.Lancat

On the other hand, there is no Lt. zu Salm-Horstmar in the Volksbund database.

But he is mentioned by "your source" and by "Im Panzer-Spähwagen durch Polen" (published in 1940):

Ditto!! I was looking for Leutnant Salm of Aufklärungs-Regiment 9., whose name I found in Im Panzer-Spähwagen durch Polen by Hauptmann Ferdinand Bentele (Wien, 1940), but couldn't find any confirmation of this anywhere. Great find!

According to the book, Leutnant Salm and Panzerschutze Androsch were killed when AT round hit the turret of armoured car. The book also says that it happened near/in Krasne, near the Krasne - Łańcut road.

As I said, there is no Leutnant Salm in VB database, but there is Schütze Theophil Andorsch, who was KIA on 09.09.1939 5 km westl. Lancat, ie. Łańcut.

Everything fits perfectly

PS. In foreword of the book 7. Panzerspähschwadron eines Aufklärungsregimentes is mentioned. This can be the exact unit designation he served in.

Regards,
MJU

He (that Lt.) is also mentioned by the KTB of 4. le.Div. - quotation from the KTB:

"(...) 15.00 Uhr Abteilung Vichytil hat Feindwiderstand bei Kraczkowa gebrochen und bieg uber Albigowa - Markowa aus. 10 cm Battr. wird wegen schlechter Wege und schwacher Brucken zuruckgelassen. Lt. Prinz Salm fallt durch Pakschuss. Stab und II./10 mit II./A.R.102 wird zum Angriff auf Lancut angesetzt. (...)"

7.9.1939 Leutnant Fischer (Zugführer 1./Aufkl.Rgt.9) wia (schw. verw.)
12.9.1939 Leutnant Dr. Siegfried Budik (2./Aufkl.Rgt.9) kia
14.9.1939 Oberleutnant "..lik und Wolthan" mia
15.9.1939 Leutnant Leinert (zugführer 3./Aufkl.Rgt.9) Unfall

Thanks for the other officers of Aufkl.Rgt.9 - this will be useful in this thread:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... start=1170

[nimbuss]

So: "assuming that victims of that friendly fire were not from Aufkl.Rgt.9."
Unless there is a typo in the KTB and there should be "einige".
"Dreimal" sounds too many times for a friendly fire / mistake.

Well, it is not sure wheather all bombers attacking 4.le.Div. were german (because polish bombers were also active in area Jarosław - Radymno), but surely most of them. These were Do 17Z from I./KG 76.

Kav.Sch.10, Kav.Sch.11 and Pi.Batl.86 were attacked. It was also seen by le.Flak.Abt.94.
These 1 KIA and 3WIA (Schwerverletzte) were from II./11, that was bombed at 15.30 near Ostrów (NW Radymno).

One should also state that at 15.40 bombs were dropped at railway station Radymno. There were many women and children, but number of killed and wounded was unknown.

[Jan-Hendrik]

KIA of Pz.Rgt. 6:

1 Offz., 2 Uffz., 11 Mannschaften

Source:

Oskar Munzel Gekämpft- Gesiegt- Verloren, p.52

Jan-Henrik

[Piotr Kapuscinski]

Thanks Jan,

BTW:

There is still no any (except for fragmentary in case of 3. Lei.Div.) data available on casualties of:

Tactical unions:

1. Noteworthy losses expected: 3. Lei., 46., 228., 57., 23., 252. Inf., 3. Geb., Gruppe Brand
2. Probably just minimal losses: 56., 62., 73., 218., 257., 258. Inf.

3. Other units: SS "Germania", Gruppe Konigsberg

As well as on casualties of non-divisional units belonging to:

4. Korpstruppen: VIII, XVII, XVIII, XXII, XI, XV, XXI, II and Wodrig
5. Gr.Ab.Kom.: 14., 15., 2., 12. and 1. (except for Gr.Rgt.32 and 42.)
6. Armeetruppen: AOK 14., AOK 10., AOK 3., AOK 4.
7. Disposal units of both Army Groups and OKH

And available data on casualties of several units is incomplete:

1. Only very fragmentary data available: 2., 5. Panzer Divisions
2. Incomplete timeframe of casualties: 7. Inf., Gr.Ab.Kom.13
3. Incomplete data on overall casualties: 7. Flieger Div. (Fallshirmjagers)
4. Only data on number of KIA: SS "Heimwehr-Danzig", Inf.Rgt.16, Allgemeine SS (in general)
5. No any information on number of MIA: 31.**, 1.*, 12., 32. Inf.
6. Overall losses most probably incomplete: 20. Mot., 1. Inf.*

7. Number of KIA and WIA given together (no breakdown): 31. Inf.**, 29. Mot. in October***

* 1. Inf.Div. applies to both 5. and 6. categories.
** 31. Inf.Div. applies to both 5. and 7. categories.
*** Losses of 29. Mot. in period up to 28.09. are known with breakdown.

In many other cases available data says about losses until - for example - 20, 25 or 28 September, etc. (not until the end of the campaign), but it seems that this appears to be minor incompleteness in most of these cases.

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Summary data for all other units (except for those deficiencies mentioned above) gives around:

ca. 12,914 KIA + ca. 2,854 MIA + ca. 31,759 WIA

As casualties of Heer - but without casualties of SS, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine.

With about 1/3 of these losses (ca. 34%) suffered by AG "North" and about 2/3 by AG "South".

PS:

I'm not sure what was the status of Brigade "Eberhardt" - a unit formed by Free City Danzig.

Was it part of the German army? I already included its losses in casualties of Heer - is this correct?

[Piotr Kapuscinski]

the only "elements" of KR5 there were those who were used to build up AA 207...which had no Panzerspähzug

Jan-Hendrik

The Panzerspähzug with those Sd Kfz 222 (4x4) was not from AA 207 but from AA 12.

In August 1939 Kavallerie-Regiment 5. was the unit which mobilized AA 12 for 12 ID:

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... avR5-R.htm

Bei der Mobilmachung wurde das Regiment aufgelöst und bildete die Aufklärungs-Abteilungen 12 und 32 sowie Teile der Aufklärungs-Abteilung 175, später auch die Aufklärungs-Abteilung 122. Aus den Resten des Regiments entstand die Kavallerie-Ersatz-Abteilung 5.

Most likely Panzerspähzug of AA 12 just like three other units of 12 ID - III./IR.48, III./IR.89 and II./AR.12 - didn't get to the concentration area of 12 ID and instead took part in combats in the Coastline.

Note that Kav.Rgt.5 was from Stolp (Slupsk) - 50 km from Butow (Bytow), concentration area of 207 ID.

III./IR.48, III./IR.89 and II./AR.12 were attached / subordinated to 207. ID as support units and fought in that area against the Ground Coastal Defense (LOW). Apparently the same happened to this Panzerspähzug.

Note that Kav.Rgt.5 before mobilisation consisted of 10 squadrons.

One of those 10 squadrons had a Panzerspähzug.

[Piotr Kapuscinski]

Combats in the vincinity of Solca Wielka (during the first phase of the battle of Bzura)



In the Volksbund database we've got ca. 83 entries of Germans KIA near Solca Wielka in this period:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0#p1534830

Solca Wielca - 1
Solca Wielka - 12
Solda Wielka - 1
Solec - 2
Solec/Weichsel - 1
Solka Wielka - 64
Solka Wielka 100 m s?r. Krz. - 1
Solka Wilka - 1

In the cemetery of Solca Wielka 95 soldiers of IR.55 (17. ID) were buried - including 56 from 10th company:

Code: Select all

1. Adelhardt, Hans Schtz. 10 Kompania
2. Allgeyer, Hch. Uffz. 10 Kompania
3. Bachmeier Friedr. Schtz. 10 kompania
4. Baumgart, E, Hch. Schtz. 12 kompania
5. Beer Alois Schtz. 6 kompania
6. Brenner, Herm. Schtz. 10 kompania
7. Bulling Christian, Gefr. 10 kompania
8. Deppisch Stephan Schtz. 10 kompania
9. Duerr, Georg Schtz. 10 kompania
10. Albert Albin Schtz. 12 kompania
11. Bachmann Werner Gefr. 10 kompania
12. Baer Ludwig Schtz. 2 kompania
13. Baunach Johann Schtz. 10 kompania
14. Behr Otto Schtz. 10 kompania
15. Buechner Hermann Schtz 9 kompania
16. Busch Wilh-Joh. Schtz. 10 kompania
17. Dett Friedr. Gefr. 10 kompania
18. Duerr Heinrich OSchtz. 10 kompania
19. Ehler Alois Schtz.
20. Endres Valentin Schtz. 5 kompania
21. Feuchter Hans Uffz. 10 kompania
22. Frala Eduard Gefr. 12 kompania
23. Freitag Georg Schtz. 10 kompania
24. Garscha Alfred Schtz. 10 kompania
25. Harpf Erwin Schtz. 10 kompania
26. Henninger Albert Gefr. 5 kompania
27. Hohl Ernst Gefr. 10 kompania
28. Johmann Alois Schtz. 10 kompania
29. Klaeger Wilh. Uffz. 12 kompania
30. Hoehn Gottfried Fw. 10 kompania
31. Kern Wilh. Schtz. 6 kompania
32. Kuhnhaeser Franz Schtz. 9 kompania
33. Leipold Hans Gefr. 10 kompania
34. Lutz Christian Schtz. 12 kompania
35. Maerz Adam Schtz. 12 kompania
36. Meiser Josef Gefr.
37. Metzler Hermann Schtz. 10 kompania
38. Mueller Karl Schtz. 10 kompania
39. Mueller Walter Schtz. 10 kompania
40. Nunn Josef Uffz. 5 Kompania
41. Poettschacher Karl Schtz. 10 kompania
42. Rueck August Gefr. 12 kompania
43. Sohns Heinrich Gefr. 9 kompania
44. Schenk Max Gefr. 10 kompania
45. Schmidt Franz OSchtz. 9 kompania
46. Schneider Ernst Schtz. 10 kompania
47. Schuebel Wilh. Schtz. 7 kompania
48. Schwarz Ernst Schtz. 10 kompania
49. Staetzler Adolf Schtz. 6 kompania
50. Stephan Theodor Schtz. 10 kompania
51. Teufel Wilh. OSchtz.5 kompania
52. Vornlocker Joh. OSchtz. 12 kompania
53. Walz Christof OSchtz. 10 kompania
54. Weissbecker Willi Uffz. 10 Kompania
55. Withopf Leo Schtz. 10 kompania
56. Wurst Richard Ltn. 10 kompania
57. Elzinger Wili Schtz.12 kompania
58. Englert Karl Schtz. 2 kompania
59. Fischer Hermann Schtz. 5 kompania
60. Franz Herbert Uffz. 6 kompania
61. Gaishüttner Josef Schtz. 10 kompania
62. Glaser Otto Gefr. 10 kompania
63. Hammer Hans Schtz. 10 kompania
64. Heim Johann Schtz. 10 kompania
65. Hofmann Karl Schtz. 10 kompania
66. Hubmann Wilh. Schtz. 10 kompania
67. Katzenberger G. Schtz.
68. Knorr Friedr. Schtz. 10 kompania
69. Kalup Anton OSchtz.
70. Kranz Albert Schtz. 10 kompania
71. Lattenkamp Wilh. Gefr. 10 kompania
72. Lux Johann Schtz. 10 kompania
73. Matter Hugo Schtz. 5 kompania
74. Macho Franz Schtz. 7 kompania
75. Metzger Josef Gefr 10 kompania
76. Möps Karl Gefr. 10 kompania
77. Müller Otto Schtz. 10 kompania
78. Multerer Xaver Schtz. 9 kompania
79. Pfau Alois Schtz. 10 kompania
80. Reinhardt Raim. Schtz. 10 kompania
81. Seiferlein Johann Schtz. 10 kompania
82. Schauer Ernst Schtz. 2 kompania
83. Schmeig Eugen Schtz. 10 kompania
84. Schmitt Theodor Schtz. 6 kompania
85. Schott Gustav Schtz. 10 kompania
86. Schwab Willi Schtz. 6 kompania
87. Schwarz Wilh. Schtz. 10 kompania
88. Stemmer Michael Schtz. 10 kompania
89. Stief Peter San.Gefr. 12 kompania
90. Urban Heinz Gefr. 7 kompania
91. Wagner Heinrich Schtz. 10 kompania
92. Weiß Leonhard Schtz. 10 kompania
93. Wickenkamp Bernh. Gefr.5 kompania
94. Wörlein Michael Gefr.
95. Zinn Heinrich Uffz. 10 kompania

[Ypenburg]

According to "KTB 4 A.K". 6.11.1939:

18 Inf.Div.
IR54 Verluste 650 Mann (200 tot) 19 Offz. ( 7 tot)
IR30 Verluste 689 Mann (279 tot) 24 Offz. ( 11 tot)
IR51 Verluste 500 Mann (no figure) 11 Offz. ( 5 tot)
AR18 Verluste 68 Mann (24 tot) 5 Offz. (3 tot)

[Piotr Kapuscinski]

According to "KTB 4 A.K". 6.11.1939:

18 Inf.Div.
IR54 Verluste 650 Mann (200 tot) 19 Offz. ( 7 tot)
IR30 Verluste 689 Mann (279 tot) 24 Offz. ( 11 tot)
IR51 Verluste 500 Mann (no figure) 11 Offz. ( 5 tot)
AR18 Verluste 68 Mann (24 tot) 5 Offz. (3 tot)

Thanks Ypenburg ,

Considering that other units of the division (apart from infantry regiments & artillery regiment) also suffered some casualties, this appears to be in agreement with the report on casualties of this division as a whole.

Just one question: "Offz." from this data should be added to "Mann" or are already included in "Mann?"

And the same question regarding "Tote" from brackets - but I guess in this case it is more obvious.

Cheers,
Peter

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But no matter how to count (adding Offz. or including) infantry regiments suffered the bulk of casualties:

KIA & WIA of 18. Division as a whole / KIA & WIA of infantry regiments (%) / artillery rgt. (%):

2021 ------------- 1839 (91%) ----- 68 (3,7%)
2086 ------------- 1893 (91%) ----- 73 (3,5%)

So unless the data on overall losses is wrong, other units suffered just few % of divisional casualties.

This is a significantly higher percentage of infantry losses than in 21. Inf.Div.:

Bloody losses (no POWs included) of 21. Inf.Div. in battles of Grudziadz and Nowogrod:

Entire division / infantry regiments (%):

Battle of Grudziadz: 580 ------------------ 489 (84%)
Battle of Nowogrod: 314 ------------------ 261 (83%)

And in 8. Inf.Div. infantry regiments lost only 1105 (65%) out of 1702 divisional Blutige Verluste.

By comparison:

In 1. & 4. Pz.-Divisionen, infantry (Schtz. & Kradschtz.) suffered respectively 46,5% / 46,4% of losses.

Large percent of all losses in these Panzer Divisions was suffered by Panzer regiments.