SS Junker-Schule Bad Tölz

[Heraklit]

All vestiges of the former SS Junker-Schule at Bad Tölz recently have been demolished. The site has been re-developed principally for social service uses. The nearby civilian housing area, built for American service families, now houses asylum seekers.

The American army used the site, renamed Flint Kaserne, after the war. Initially it housed elements of the 1st Infantry Division, the Big Red One. In 1953, it became the headquarters of the 10th Special Forces Group and at various times some of the lettered companies of the 10th were there (as well as at Prinz Heinrich Kaserne in nearby Lenggries). In 1958 the Seventh Army NCO Academy also located there.

I was there as a member of 10th Special Forces in the early1960s. Architecturally the site was very impressive, of the highest quality construction, enhanced by a spectacularly beautiful location in the foothills of the Alps.

The German government, restrained only by feasibility, has a continuing program to eliminate all sites of National Socialist prominence, in particular buildings and installations built during the period 1933-1945.

Some observers have contended that more than a series of buildings, the structure of the Junkerschule was itself a metaphor for a facet of National Socialist ideology that was supposedly developed by Himmler, Darré and others to create a racially cleansed vanguard to lead the "Reich" on its path toward "Germanic" regeneration. If this is indeed true, it should be no surprise that such sites would be anathema to the Federal Republic of Germany.

[Matt Gibbs]

I wonder if they will ask the British government to countenance the removal of the former german embassy in London which is still there and was designed by Albert Speer..?
Isn't the old RLM building also still there..? Maybe they will pull that sown also..?

MG

[Romulus]

Why not get rid of the Autobahn too? Since it was once named "Strasse Adolf Hitlers"

[Matt Gibbs]

Thats an interesting plan also!
I have just realised somethign this weekend I am going to think about ofr a while to come.
How come being preached at and reading in the bible about the goodness in people and how we all ought to learn to have forgiveness for anyone no matter what - not learning to live with hatred but to get oevr it and carry on with life. Was there some passage I missed that says it doens't count if the object of hatred is German and was living between 1933 and 1945..?
Just a thought....
Regards
Matt Gibbs

[HaEn]

Thats an interesting plan also!
I have just realised somethign this weekend I am going to think about ofr a while to come.
How come being preached at and reading in the bible about the goodness in people and how we all ought to learn to have forgiveness for anyone no matter what - not learning to live with hatred but to get oevr it and carry on with life. Was there some passage I missed that says it doens't count if the object of hatred is German and was living between 1933 and 1945..?
Just a thought....
Regards
Matt Gibbs

Because the practical modern side seems to be "do as I say, not as I do". HN

[Dan]

There is a very primitive need in Humans to feel self-righteous, and for this we need someone to feel superior to. Primitive and sickening.

[scott3000]

Yes Flint Kaserne was quite impressive. I went to PLDC there in 1987 it was a wild and very tough school to attend. There were even rumors that the place was haunted , I don't know about all that but it was definitely a place I wanted to go back to, however with it being gone I guess there is no reason.

[29Esignals]

I attended the the sig35am course and PLDC at Bad Tölz while in the Army during the late 1980’s. My recollection is that when myself and other soldiers were in the lower levels of Flint Kaserne gathering field gear during PLDC, one of the cadre showed us to a door marked “No Entry” with German swastikas recessed into the concrete surrounding the heavy door frame. The instructor told us the lower levels were flooded and then sealed off during WW2 when The US Army captured the Waffen-SS school. The lower levels were flooded to limit US casualties from booby traps and german soldiers that went below during the battle. I was told they were sealed since WW2 and whatever was down there still remains. My other recollection is of cleaning and polishing/buffing the black concrete floors of the NCO academy until they looked like glass. The best part was leaving on the bus after graduation, some left their TA-50 behind. It was considered a difficult NCO school and also the best. CLASS 89-5. Google earth still shows the original buildings with an additional round building in the parade ground inside the front gate. Maybe only partially demolished.

[Mannheim]

Heraklit said twenty-plus years ago that all vestiges of the Junkerschule had been demolished. I was there in 2010 and most of the main buildings were intact. The most obvious demolition was the flyover between the two 'towers' at the entrance. Scroll down about halfway for photos: viewtopic.php?f=44&t=130341&hilit=Bad+T ... &start=615