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Post by Panzermahn » 06 Jul 2005 09:24

Marc Rikmenspoel wrote:Ivanwss, if this is what I'm thinking it is, then the Ausbildung Bataillon Schalburg was affiliated with the Schalburg Korpset, which was really the Danish branch of the Germanisches-SS, that is, the Danish branch of the Allgemeine-SS. Thus it would not be a Waffen-SS unit, but then again, I could be wrong in my estimate of its associations.
Hi Marc,

If i am not mistaken, the Schalburg Korps was absorbed into Waffen SS in 1943 and its members were sent together with the members of the disbanded Freikorps Danmark and formed the cadre recruits/replacement for the 24th SS Panzergrenadier Regiment "Danmark" of the 11th SS Panzergrenadier Division "Nordland" but for sure the unit's name of Ausbildung Bataillon Schalburg was not used when it was absorbed into the Waffen SS.

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Post by Marc Rikmenspoel » 06 Jul 2005 17:57

Sorry, but that is a mistaken understanding Panzermahn. The Schalburg Korpset was only established in 1943. Early that year, Frikorps Danmark commander Knud Borge Martinsen returned to Denmark to establish the Danish branch of the Germanisches-SS, and he named it after the faller first battle commander of the Frikorps, Christian Fredrik von Schalburg. Martinsen left the Frikorps in the temporary leadership of Per Neergard-Jacobsen, but resumed command briefly in May 1943 for the dissolution parade at Grafenwohr. Martinsen then sought command of the successor SS-PGR 24 Danmark, but this went instead to Hermenegild Graf von Westphalen, a German who had served with Feliz Steiner early in the war and gained his favor. So in the late summer of 1943, Martinsen left the regiment to return to Denmark and devote all his energy to the Schalburg Korpset, which got into a civil war with the Danish resistance. He was executed after the war for his anti-resistance activities, though the Danish parliament repudiated the execution decades later. These anti-resistance actions made the Schalburg Korpset so unpopular with the population at large that in early 1945, they dropped their title and instead became known as SS-Wacht Bataillon Själand ("Zealand," the main island of Denmark).

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Post by Panzermahn » 07 Jul 2005 02:44

Marc,

Thanks for the corrections! Really appreciate it. I got the previous wrong info from the work of Kenneth W. Esthes, the author of the European Anabasis: Western European Volunteers in the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS 1941-1945 available for a trial session at the Project E-Gutenberg website. Should have notice that this guy made a lot of mistakes...

Thanks again Marc. Your specialist knowledge had helped much of us amateur researchers in this forum.

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Post by hardi » 11 Jul 2005 10:41

The 26th WGDdSS was never named to Gömbös, check this link

Some named units:

SS-Kampfgruppe "Deák"
SS-Kampfgruppe "Ney"
Waffen-Grenadier-Bataillon der SS "Szálasi"
SS-Ersätz-Bataillon "Imrédy" (part of the Brigade "Ney")

A comment:

It is weird if you call a unit named with mentioning the nationality of it, e.g. XY Division "russiches" :) It isn't a name only a possible classificational term. Historians make a backward naming sometimes :) e.g. the so called Lombard Division or the Böhmen un Mähren Division, Schlapphut Division etc. These are so confusing that we just have to avoid to use the so called names.

/Janos

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 11 Jul 2005 10:52

Thanks for the link, Janoš.
Some sources claimed that "Gömbös" was also the name of 26. SS Div.,
but the "main" name posted in this thread is "Hungaria".
Thanks for some new names, but we agreed in the beginning not to post names of Kampfgruppen.
(btw, "rußische Nr..." hasn't been posted as "name" of the division)

Anyhow, thanks again for the link.
So 26.SS was never called "Gömbös" ?

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Ivan

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Post by hardi » 11 Jul 2005 13:18

Sorry bout forgetting the Kampfgruppen :)

4 Hungarian recruited Divisions were planned in the Waffen-SS: Hunyadi, Hungária, Gömbös, Görgey - the last 2 never raised. The story of the Hungária Division was ended before the end of the war, it was dismissed lacking dozens of material and weaponry. Hunyadi was the first realised unit getting the number 25. and then the Hungária with 26.

The 31.SS-Frw.-Div. has not any name as far as i know.

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Post by zhukov2005 » 11 Jul 2005 15:25

Ivanwss,

Where did you get the list of the planned Waffen-SS Divisions. I have never seen those mentioned before.

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Post by jarek_g » 11 Jul 2005 18:01

Hi Iwanss,

26. SS-Division was named "Gömbös" from 14.03.1945.
Source: NARA T-78/422/6391696.

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Post by hardi » 11 Jul 2005 18:13

zhukov2005 wrote: Where did you get the list of the planned Waffen-SS Divisions. I have never seen those mentioned before.
If you asking me, then the response is:
Andreas G. Payer: Armati Hungarorum (München: 1985.)

If not, sorry 8)

jarek, plz explain your resource because im really interested in this topic but not found any real data mentioning the Gömbös name.

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 11 Jul 2005 19:40

Janoš:
Thanks again for infos about Hungarian SS Divisions.
31.SS Division "Batschka" and KG Division Böhmen-Mähren have been discussed in this thread,
i don't know if you have been following it carefully.
If you haven't, please do, Marc R. has posted some very interesting infos
on these two divisions.

Žukov:
here are some links for you:
http://www.diedeutschewehrmacht.de/waff ... v.htm#1-20
http://www.netzwelt.de/lexikon/Waffen-SS.html
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=504678
(you can also do a Google search, i believe you'll find
some more sources mentioning these units, but with no infos...)

Cheers,
Ivan

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Post by Panzermahn » 12 Jul 2005 05:08

zhukov2005 wrote:Ivanwss,

Where did you get the list of the planned Waffen-SS Divisions. I have never seen those mentioned before.

Regards,

zhukov2005
Bill Medland, a member of the AHF and former member of HIAG had a list of planned Waffen SS divisions straight from the HIAG archives

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Post by Panzermahn » 12 Jul 2005 05:08

zhukov2005 wrote:Ivanwss,

Where did you get the list of the planned Waffen-SS Divisions. I have never seen those mentioned before.

Regards,

zhukov2005
Bill Medland, a member of the AHF and former member of HIAG had a list of planned Waffen SS divisions straight from the HIAG archives

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Post by -Michael » 12 Jul 2005 17:25

The I./SS-Panzergrenadier Regiment 68 of the 27. SS-Freiwilligen Grenadier Division 'Langemarck' was officially called the SS-Jeugdbataljon or the SS-Jugendbatallion, because the Btl. existed of 16- and 17-year old boys. First the Btl. was under the command of SS-Hauptsturmführer Stange, later the Danish SS-Hauptsturmführer Oluf von Krabbe.

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Post by Tapani K. » 12 Jul 2005 18:30

I browsed through this thread and I think I did not see Finnisches Freiwilligen SS-Bataillon "Nordost". Please ignore this posting if the Finns have been mentioned but I just did not notice.

BTW, for those interested, here is a rather good site on the Finnish battalion: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quart ... /index.htm

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Post by Panzermahn » 13 Jul 2005 05:11

Hi Tapani,

Regarding the Finnische Freiwiligen Battalion der SS, I do recalled it is also known as "Nordost" but I think it's not official...What do you think? I remember this unit was part of the Wiking Division.

Also there is the Estnische Freiwilge Bataillon der SS "Narwa" as part of the Wiking Division's OoB

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