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Re: Waffen-SS Information needed on units

Post by Germanicus » 30 Jul 2014 15:35

Their is extensive information on Kampfverband Wallenstein / Kampfgruppe Wallenstein / 44 SS-Panzergrenadier-Division Wallenstein on the internet... in various names... the following is a translation.. it is possible to comprehend...
SS-Kampfverband Wallenstein, sometimes referred to as Kampfgruppe Wallenstein and 44th SS-Panzer-Grenadier Division Wallenstein under construction . It was a comprehensive term for the SS, which advanced from fifth 5, 1945 Prague uprising against the south of the parade SS-Truppenübungsplatz Beneschau in Neveklovsko. How the South was led by two combat groups: "Western" from Hradištko over Zbraslav to Smíchov (SS-Kampfgruppe Moldauthal in the literature also as SS-Kampfgruppe Klein or SS-Kampfgruppe Emil or SS-Kampfgruppe Hradischko), commanded by SS-Standartenführer Emil Klein, commander of the SS-Pionier-Schule 4 Hradischko. "Eastern" against Krči and Pankraci (SS-Kampfgruppe Jörchel or SS-Kampfgruppe Barbara), commanded by SS-Standartenführer Wolfgang Jörchel, commander of the SS-Junkerschule Prag. listed above groups be connect the unit broken 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich retreating after Pilsen navagónované road and the railway station in Hořovice . But they withdrew west towards the Americans. In the book of Wallenstein are documented and three battalions of the Hlinka Guard, but it is not clear whether they were operationally deployed (Slowakei Grenadier Regiment Nr 1 "Hlinka Guard", commandant SS-Obersturmbannführer Walter Demes). SS-Kampfverband Wallenstein fought in Smíchov 5th to the 9th, 1945. Subsequently, the French intelligence from the 5th U.S. Infantry Division ( 5th Infantry Division ) paid over Řevnice the demarcation line in space Cimelice. Part of the units she could go into American captivity, some not, and it is very likely that they took part in the fighting in Milina and Březnice 11 and 12 5th, 1945. Generalfeldmarschall Ferdinand Schörner allocated to attack the force threshold, which far exceeded anything were deployed against other European rebellion. Typically, used almost exclusively by the troops of the Waffen-SS. From the south to the SS-Kampfverband Wallenstein from Benešovsko-neveklovského training area with a significant number of tanks and artillery. In the area of Český Brod be offensive to attend remnants I. Flak Korps der Flakartillerie General Richard Reimann (called Kampfgruppe Reimann). The SS-Truppenübungsplatz Milowitz should leave school units Panzer-Jäger Schule Milowitz (called Kampfgruppe Milowitz). Apart from these main forces were deployed to Prague even lower number of motorized, mostly armored and artillery units from central and eastern Bohemia. All the troops had to blow the sixth 5, 1945 to concentrate on the outskirts of Prague and at dawn launch from several directions concentrated attack supported by aircraft and welcoming attacks by German forces in Prague. SS Kampfgruppe Wallenstein proceeded south two streams along both banks of the river. Units along the right bank commanded by SS-Standartenführer Wolfgang Jörchel on the left SS-Standartenführer von Klein. Reached the outskirts of Prague, only reconnaissance section (Aufklärung Abteilung "Wallenstein"), which penetrated the state road from Benes on Saturday evening, before the barricades were built. Units in the power of one regiment on the right bank of the Vltava River in Prague suburb reached on Sunday evening and never to fight again. Part of the tanks was Benešova to Prague transported by rail. The rebels prevented the transport of destruction in space Čerčan and tanks were stuck on the track.
Composition Kampfgruppe Wallenstein:
Slowakei Grenadier Regiment Nr 1 "Hlinka Guard" (SS-Obersturmbannführer Walter Demes)
Verst. Grenadier Regiment Nr 2 "Wallenstein" (SS-Obersturmbannführer Karl Schlamelcher)
Verst. Grenadier Regiment Nr 1 "Wallenstein" (SS-Standartenführer Wolfgang Jörchel)
Panzer-Jäger Abteilung "Wallenstein" (SS-Sturmbannführer Erich Sinn)
Pionier Regiment "Wallenstein" (SS-Oberführer Emil Klein)
Fusilier-Bataillon "Wallenstein" (SS- Sturmbannführer Leander Hauck)
Aufklärung Abteilung "Wallenstein" (SS-Hauptstrumführer Erhard Körner)
Stu. Gesch. Abteilung "Wallenstein" (SS-Sturmbannführer Klaus von Allwörden)
Nachrichten-Abteilung "Wallenstein" (SS-Sturmbannführer Helmut Bäume)
Sanitäts-Abteilung "Wallenstein" (Lucha)
Nachschub-Bataillon "Wallenstein" (SS-Sturmbannführer Arno König)
Wirtsch. Bataillon "Wallenstein" (SS-Sturmbannführer Hans Fiedler)
Feldersatz-Regiment "Wallenstein" (SS-Obersturmbannführer der Reserve Richard Einspenner)

Corrected by post below Sources: History and Military No. 2/2005
http://www.axishistory.com
http://www.feldgrau.com
http://www.vojenstvi.cz

44th Waffen-SS Panzergrenadier Division Wallenstein
This "division" was probably 4 parts - Kampfgruppe Klein, Jochele, Reimann and Milowicz. The units are likely to attend crackdown on the uprising in Prague 5.1945 and assist in the evacuation of the German population of the city, along with parts of the 2nd SS Das Reich Division. There is evidence that the unit could exist, although not in the power division. SS-Standartenführer Jochele commanded by SS-Junkerschule Prag at 3.1945. SS-Reit und Fahrschule existed in Milovice at 3.1945. Newspapers U.S. 5th Infantry Division from 05.10.1945 mention SS-Kampfgruppe Klein and Jochele. Wallenstein was thus ad-hoc formation of SS units operating in the vicinity of Prague in the last week of the war.


http://freiwilligen.sweb.cz/DOBROVOLNIC ... %C3%AD.htm

verst. Gren. Rgt 1 "Wallenstein" - Joerchel --> SS-Junkerschule Prag (ab 09.05.44) SS-Staf. Wolfgang Joerchel
verst. Gren. Rgt 2 "Wallenstein" - Schlamelcher --> SS-Artillerie-Schule II Beneschau SS-Ostubaf. Karl Schlamelcher
Pz. Jg. Abt. "Wallenstein" - Sinn --> SS-Panzerjäger (Stug.) Schule Janowitz SS-Stubaf. Erich Sinn
Pionier Rgt. "Wallenstein" - Klein --> SS-Pionier-Schule Hradischko SS-Oberführer Emil Klein
Füsilier Btl. "Wallenstein" - Hauck --> I./ SS-Art.Reg.9 "Hohenstaufen" SS-Stubaf.Leander Hauck
Aufkl. Abt. "Wallenstein" - Körner
StuG. Abt. "Wallenstein" - Allwörden --> SS-Pz.Jg.Abt.9 "Hohenstaufen" SS-Hstuf. Klaus von Allwörden
Na. Abt. "Wallenstein" - Bäume --> SS-Nachr.Ausb.Abt.3 SS-Stubaf. Helmut Bäume
San. Abt. "Wallenstein" - Lüchem --> SS-Sanitäts-Schule Prag-Beneschau
Wi. Btl. "Wallenstein" - Fiedler
Nachschub Btl. "Wallenstein" - König
Feld Ersatz Rgt. "Wallenstein" - Richard Einspanner

http://www.panzer-archiv.de/forum/print ... 4c3a3b5e33
SS-Kampfverband Wallenstein (which consisted from SS-Kampfgruppe Klein and SS-Kampfgruppe Joerchel) from
the south, SS-Kampfgruppe Milowitz and SS-Kampfgruppe Reimann from the east, Kampfgruppe of 2nd SS-Panzergrenadierregiment “Der Fuehrer” from the north and mixed German garrison in Prague. Nazi forces manned about
eighty armoured vehicles, including about ten StuG III and about forty Hetzers.
https://josephineasearlwhitevonriemann. ... m/page/29/

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Re: Waffen-SS Information needed on planned units

Post by K.Kocjancic » 23 Sep 2015 17:17

Does anyone know if the "45. SS-Division Waräger" was planned to be formed from Scandinavian personnel or they planned to "upgrade" the SS-Sonder-Rgt. 1 Waräger? Or is there a third option?

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Re: Waffen-SS Information needed on planned units

Post by Germanicus » 15 Mar 2016 05:25

Dear K.Kocjancic, I found the following on Wikipedia

45. The SS-Division "Warager" embodied by a Russian department of SS volunteers: "Freiwillige SS Reg. Warager" .

Index :-

1 Creation Unit
2 Using the Drive
3 Commander unit
4 Participation in anti-partisan operations in Yugoslavia

Making Unit :-

In March 1942 the formation of the battalion of volunteers created in Belgrade . He was placed under the commander in chief in the Balkans that the Russians wanted to recruit volunteers for the landing operation near Novorossiysk.

The battalion was formed under the command of Captain MA Semenov and was seconded, as infantry, with a force of 600 soldiers. Semenov received the rank of SS - Hauptsturmführer ( Captain of the SS ).

Using the Drive :-

The battalion, from August 1943 , it was used against Yugoslav partisans. At the end of 1943 , Semenov left the control unit to a German officer to travel to Germany , where he participated in the formation of Russian volunteers in special units. At the end of 1944 the battalion was expanded in Warager regiment stationed in Slovenia . The staff was made ​​up of immigrants and former prisoners of war. The volunteers were recruited in the camps in Germany and the occupied countries. One of the battalions of Warager regiment was formed in Silesia . His strength was 2,500 military personnel, including soldiers and officers. The battalion became part of the group Major General AV Turkul that on paper was the part of the forces Konr . After the capitulation of Germany , the battalion was transferred to Italy in the camp for prisoners of war, which was located near the town of Taranto . Later some soldiers and officers were extradited to the ' USSR , and some ended up in Yugoslavia. Only a very small group was saved, escaping from the prison camp.

Commander unit :-

The commander was Colonel MA Semenov and his deputy was Major MG Grinev.

The commanding officer of the 2,500 men of the "1st SS Regiment Warager" was the SS-Standarterführer Mikhail Alexandrovich Semenov was born in St. Petersburg in 1894 and died in San Paolo , Brazil in 1965 .

The regiment had three battalions of which many members were Russian emigrants in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia . Semenov, for example, was one of them.

The regiment surrendered at the end of the war the British 5th Corps Mighty 8th Army in the area Klagenfurt (Celovec) between 9 and 15 May 1945 .

Participation in anti partisan operations in Yugoslavia :-

The 1st SS-Jg.Btl. He was transferred from Kamnik to Ljubljana . From this Btl. and other former Soviet war prisoners was formed 1. SS-Sonder-Regt. "Väreger" (Varjagov) in February 1945 .

Part of this regiment was involved in anti-guerrilla operations between January and February 1945 against the partisans in the area between Selška Sora and Poljanska Sora .

While another contingent of this regiment was placed along the banks of the river Krka .

And at the beginning of March 1945 the regiment was sent against the partisans in the Žuženberk .

Then, between 20 March and 6 April 1945 , he was part of Kampfgruppe KG Dippelhofer . This was placed in KG Idria - Loka .

The regiment then took part in a large operation in Slovenia between April 9 and April 15, 1945 on the road Kočevje-Log-Stari Dvor-Soteska.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-Regiment_W%C3%A4rager

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Re: Waffen-SS Information needed on planned units

Post by K.Kocjancic » 19 Mar 2016 11:57

Ave Germanicus!

Thanks for the WP article, but I'm looking for more credible source.

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Re: Waffen-SS Information needed on planned units

Post by Germanicus » 10 Aug 2016 18:27

All Good Klemen

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Re: Waffen-SS Information needed on planned units

Post by wasp68 » 11 Sep 2019 09:10

Kampfgruppen Reimann, Millowitz and Der Führer were not parts of Wallenstein. It consisted only of Kampfgruppen Klein (originally Moldautahl) and Jörchel (originlly Süd).

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Re: Waffen-SS Information needed on planned units

Post by Sid Guttridge » 11 Sep 2019 11:09

Hi Guys,

What about the Romanians?

Two infantry regiments were formed towards the end of the war, one of which served briefly at the front, and an artillery regiment was reportedly allocated manpower. These seem like the main constituent parts of a division.

A useful internal link: viewtopic.php?t=79614&start=45

Richard Landwehr (sometimes described as a W-SS apologist) wrote a small book on them, though I have not seen it: https://www.amazon.com/Romanian-Volunte ... oks&sr=1-1

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Re: Waffen-SS Information needed on planned units

Post by wasp68 » 13 Oct 2019 12:23

SS-Regiment Hlinka garde-the commander was Walter Domes, not Demes. Second colonel of infantry and SS-Obersturmbannführer Walter Domes, born 25. 11. 1900 in Přerov, Moravia. Studied german higher real school in Olomouc, in march 1918 joined Infanterie regiment 54. Passed fights in Italy. 1920-1922 absolved Military Academy in Hranice on Moravia, became officer of the czechoslovak army. 10. 10. 1938 dismissed from the army for his german origin, in november 1939 reactibated for Slovak army, Fought on the eastern front as commander of I./Infanterie Regiment 20 of the slovak Mobile division, later commander of the whole regiment. Earned Iron cross II. class. 2. august 1944 transfered to the Waffen-SS,commander of I./SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier-Regiment 80 within the 31st SS division from 25. 11. 1944 till january 1945. In April 1945 became commander of regiment Hlinka Garde. His post-war fate unknown.

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Re: Waffen-SS Information needed on planned units

Post by Sid Guttridge » 15 Oct 2019 14:18

Hi Guys,

A lot of links are being referred to, but no hard archival sources.

Are there any hard (non-internet) sources behind these claims?

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Sid.

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Re: Waffen-SS Information needed on planned units

Post by wasp68 » 23 Oct 2019 20:26

Sid Guttridge wrote:
15 Oct 2019 14:18
Hi Guys,

A lot of links are being referred to, but no hard archival sources.

Are there any hard (non-internet) sources behind these claims?

Cheers,

Sid.
Concerning Domes: CSÉFALVAY, František a kol.: Vojenské osobnosti dejín Slovenska 1939-1945. Bratislava 2013, s. 53.

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Re: Waffen-SS Information needed on planned units

Post by Sid Guttridge » 24 Oct 2019 13:45

Hi Inselaffe,

Thanks for that. I will see if I can source a copy.

Cheers,

Sid.

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Re: Waffen-SS Information needed on planned units

Post by K.Kocjancic » 03 Nov 2019 07:33

Sid Guttridge wrote:
24 Oct 2019 13:45
Hi Inselaffe,

Thanks for that. I will see if I can source a copy.

Cheers,

Sid.
http://www.vhu.sk/data/files/568.pdf

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Re: Waffen-SS Information needed on planned units

Post by Sid Guttridge » 04 Nov 2019 11:01

Hi K. Kocjancic,

A very useful link. Thanks.

Might I suggest that you put up a separate thread on the "Axis Biographical Research" section of AHF entitled something like "Biographies of Slovak Army officers, 1939-1945" with this link in it?

Cheers,

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Re: Waffen-SS Information needed on planned units

Post by Sid Guttridge » 04 Nov 2019 11:08

Hi Guys,

I remain dubious about any of the claimed W-SS "divisions" numbered above 38.

There seems to be a total lack of primary source material on any of them. Links to Wikipedia and other internet sources do not add to the hard facts in this context, unless accompanied by primary sources. Those links given above have often disappeared from the web and none of the survivors offer primary sources.

I have no doubt that various W-SS kampfgruppen were thrown together in the last weeks of the war, but, so far, we don't have a single primary source offered here (or in any of the links) that allows us to confirm they were embryonic divisions numbered 39 to 45.

For all the chatter on the subject, at the moment this looks like it may be an internet myth.

Cheers,

Sid.

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Re: Waffen-SS Information needed on planned units

Post by smetanin albert » 25 Dec 2019 07:45

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