Whose Tiger is it?

[toni112007]

[quote="Michael Kenny"][quote="toni112007"]Hofflinger Tiger was number 304 you can see it on this picture and it looks its on route nationale. [img]http://i59.tinypic.com/2rc4cvk.jpg[/img][/quote]



The photograph above was taken in The Somme and many miles from Normandy. This is the same Tiger that was seen waiting at Rouen to cross the Seine.

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Source? Those trees behind road looks the same as on route nationale and bocage behind tiger tank.

[Michael Kenny]

The location is Arras road cemetery Roclincourt France.

[toni112007]

The location is Arras road cemetery Roclincourt France.

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You got me! So which tank did Hofflinger drove that day?

[toni112007]

This is Tiger 211 destroyed maybe this one is Hofflingers?

[Michael Kenny]

You will not find a photo of the Tiger(s)? that were on on the left of the road to Caen on 8/8/44. I know every published photo of a Tiger in Normandy and a few unpublished ones. There are no photos of these Tigers.

[TonyKaye]

Gentlemen,

After much Googling my heart did miss a beat or two when my search keywords 'Staff Seargent Kosciukiewicz 24th Lancers' dropped me into this thread - for there was my late father mentioned in action, attacking the Quesnay Woods on the 9th Augsut 1944. What is more, it suddenly all fitted in with what he told me ( as a disinterested teenager) - trees, bushes, undergrowth and the sudden appearance of german tanks.

I'd love to read the operational report of his action which is mentioned as existing in the 24th Lancers records. How do I locate this?

If you would be interested in what I can tell you plus access to the wartime images I still have I would be very happy to share everything.

i'm not used to forums on any topic so let me know how to go about this.

Regards

Tony Kaye (Kosciukiewicz)

[CS1985]

Mr Kaye

Here is an extract from the war diary of 24th Lancers Regiment:

Based on a report from First Lieutenant Kamiński about two Panther tanks located near the Quesnay woods, the commander of 1st Squadron ordered Staff Sergeant Kościukiewicz to take a firing position with his 17pdr gun. Staff Sergeant Kościukiewicz could not find the target. Thus, on his own initiative, he came out of his tank and moved under fire to the location of First Lieutenant Kamiński’s tank. After locating the target he returned to his tank which was about 100 meters away. Subsequently, he took a proper firing position and destroyed a Panther with an accurate shot of his gunner, Corporal Feliks Przywara. When the 1st Squadron was withdrawing from the vicinity of Quesnay woods, a single tank was hit and there was no information about the status of the crew. Two tank commanders: Staff Sergeant Michał Kościukiewicz and Corporal Stanisław Walenciak on their own initiative jumped out of their tanks and moved under the machinegun and mortar fire to the location of the destroyed tank. They ascertained the tank commander’s, Corporal Stawrowski’s death.

It is funny that earlier in the text the German tanks are described as "six Tigers in hull-down position". They were firing at 24th Lancers exactly from the position eastwards from the Quesnay village (with the Quesnay woods behind them). One Tiger tank was located near the church in Quesnay.

At 1725hrs the commanding officer of the 3rd Squadron reported: "I see a burning Tiger to the left of the church, and farther ther is another one with the woods in the background".

I hope this message reaches you.

Best regards,

Cyprian Suchocki

[Tom from Cornwall]

Cyprian,

Many thanks for posting up that extract of 24 Lancers war diary.

I don't suppose you could also provide the war diary for 24 Lancers on 8 August 1944. It seems that none of the Polish war diaries are available in English and that seems to have affected the extent to which their actions during August 1944 are understood and written about.

Regards

Tom

[MarkN]

I don't suppose you could also provide the war diary for 24 Lancers on 8 August 1944. It seems that none of the Polish war diaries are available in English and that seems to have affected the extent to which their actions during August 1944 are understood and written about.

Tom,
If you get a copy of the relevant diaries - you're closer than me to them - I'll get them translated. No problem.

[CS1985]

Hello,

Sorry about the delay in responding but I'm not a common guest in here these days.

Each regiment of the 1st Polish Armored Division published an illustrated unit history immidiatelly after the war (some regiments published two books: a textbook and a photo album).

Luckily, the war diary of the 24th Lancers Regiment is the only one that has English translation (the text is divided into three columns: Polish text, English text and French text). Enjoy:

https://gofile.io/?c=7AfjZx

Here is a part of S. Komornicki's book describin almost entire Normandy campaign (it is more detailed but in Polish):

https://gofile.io/?c=2rVudZ

Regards,

C.S.

[Michael Kenny]

Sounds like contaminated fuel.

[CS1985]

Komornicki's book describes this incident in more detail (page 305). Three tanks out of 7 were halted due to the lack of petrol it says.

The book gives also a detailed information about the Regiment's losses on 8th of August (6 tanks: 1 Stuart and 5 Shermans).

[toni112007]

I guess it has finally be settled which Tigers were at the Cintheaux.

[Slava2012]

Извините если не совсем в той теме но тоже про подбитые Тигры СС .
Мой вопрос в марте 44 СС 3 танковая дивизия и ее 9 рота Тигров воевала в Украине в городе Балта где и потеряла свои последние 4 Тигра .
Их номера мне как местному историку очень интересны , есть несколько фото Тигров в Балте вот фото 911 Тигра с дыркой в правом боку на нем воевал кажется Тонгес , есть мнение что именно в нем и погиб механик водитель Мокник 26 марта 44 года .
Еще есть фото 921 Тигра на котором воевал Винтер и 29 марта бросил танк южнее Балты по причине отсутствия бензина .
И есть фото подбитого 27 марта противотанковым огнем Тигра на котором воевал Нэфф на железнодорожной станции Белино (номер этого тигра предположительно 931).
В тех числах заявлено 4 рабочих Тигра и какой номер четвертого остается только годать мое мнение что это Тигр номер 902 , этот Тигр предположительно смогли эвакуировать на поезде и он единственный Тигр 9 роты уехавший в Молдавию по железнодорожному мосту в Тирасполе.

Мой вопрос к специалистам не могли бы Вы помочь мне в номерах Тигров воевавших в моей местности и каков номер выжившего Тигра ?

[AlifRafikKhan]

Извините если не совсем в той теме но тоже про подбитые Тигры СС .
Мой вопрос в марте 44 СС 3 танковая дивизия и ее 9 рота Тигров воевала в Украине в городе Балта где и потеряла свои последние 4 Тигра .
Их номера мне как местному историку очень интересны , есть несколько фото Тигров в Балте вот фото 911 Тигра с дыркой в правом боку на нем воевал кажется Тонгес , есть мнение что именно в нем и погиб механик водитель Мокник 26 марта 44 года .
Еще есть фото 921 Тигра на котором воевал Винтер и 29 марта бросил танк южнее Балты по причине отсутствия бензина .
И есть фото подбитого 27 марта противотанковым огнем Тигра на котором воевал Нэфф на железнодорожной станции Белино (номер этого тигра предположительно 931).
В тех числах заявлено 4 рабочих Тигра и какой номер четвертого остается только годать мое мнение что это Тигр номер 902 , этот Тигр предположительно смогли эвакуировать на поезде и он единственный Тигр 9 роты уехавший в Молдавию по железнодорожному мосту в Тирасполе.

Мой вопрос к специалистам не могли бы Вы помочь мне в номерах Тигров воевавших в моей местности и каков номер выжившего Тигра ?

In English please