The Indian Volunteers in the German Army and Waffen-SS

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Re: The Indian Volunteers in the German Army and Waffen-SS

Postby Christian Ankerstjerne » 01 Jul 2017 22:56

Some factual information (From T78 R413 H1/144).
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Re: The Indian Volunteers in the German Army and Waffen-SS

Postby Christian Ankerstjerne » 01 Jul 2017 23:13

From the same folder. These files prove that the regiment was still marked as a regular infantry regiment as late as February 1945 (unlike the motorized, armored, and cavalry units also marked on the map), and the previous files prove that it was named as such consistently from 1942 to 1944.
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Re: The Indian Volunteers in the German Army and Waffen-SS

Postby Loïc » 07 Jul 2017 22:42

michael mills wrote:And on the same thread, Loic wrote this:
......this concerns especially nothing more than a band of mercenaries traitors and recognized criminals totally romanticized and heroized by many people on the web...


The material posted by Sid Guttridge refutes that viciously biased portrayal of the Indian Legion as nothing but a "band of mercenaries, traitors and criminals" who engaged only in rape and pillage and never risked their lives in real combat. Of course a small number of members of the Indian Legion did commit rapes, but it has not been demonstrated that the incidence of raping and pillaging by them was any greater than that of raping and pillaging by members of Allied forces.



the only problem is my extrapolated shortened sentence has nothing to do with the Indian Legion...
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Re: The Indian Volunteers in the German Army and Waffen-SS

Postby hoot72 » 17 Jul 2017 06:38

Sorry, but the information I have and have shared with at least 2-3 other academics have with regards to what sort of unit the legion was and the equipment and training they under-went does not match with what has been posted above.

It has helped that we were able to actually interview in punjabi at least 2 Ind F. veterans before their passing and one son of a former veteran who escaped to Austria before the end of the war and settled down after the war with an Austrian lady about what transpired in the final months of the war.

It has been interesting to say the least and a refreshing change to listen to what transpired with regards to relationships between the indian legion soldiers, with families in Holland and in France and the small number of hooligans who did commit rapes during the retreat. There were also rapes in Holland during peace time according to the son (as told to him by his father) by 2-3 groups of bad characters within the legion, who could also be the same groups who committed the rapes in France.

He also spoke about the brothels organized for the legion soldiers in France (most contracted sexual diseases as a result) with French prostitutes.

Much information gathered from the interviews but again, too much to share here and we still have not finished the work at the German Archives in F'Burg.

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Re: The Indian Volunteers in the German Army and Waffen-SS

Postby Christian Ankerstjerne » 17 Jul 2017 10:37

hoot72 wrote:Sorry, but the information I have and have shared with at least 2-3 other academics have with regards to what sort of unit the legion was and the equipment and training they under-went does not match with what has been posted above.


The forum rules state:
If a poster raises a question about the events, other posters may answer the question with evidence. If a poster stops asking questions and begins to express a point of view, he then becomes an advocate for that viewpoint. When a person becomes an advocate, he has the burden of providing evidence for his point of view. If he has no evidence, or doesn't provide it when asked, it is reasonable for the reader to conclude that his opinion or viewpoint is uninformed and may fairly be discounted or rejected.

Undocumented claims undercut the research purposes of this section of the forum. Consequently, it is required that proof be posted along with a claim. The main reason is that proof, evidence, facts, etc. improve the quality of discussions and information. A second reason is that inflammatory, groundless posts and threads attack, and do not promote, the scholarly purpose of this section of the forum.

This requirement applies to each specific claim. In the past, some posters have attempted to evade the proof requirement by resort to the following tactics, none of which are acceptable here:

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You have claimed that the information above (which is rather vague, but I'll take it to be the information posted since your last post, i.e., the information from Hartog and the German war-time records) is false. As per the forum rules, you are hereby required to provide evidence of that claim.


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