Were there any "part-time" foreign volunteers?

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Were there any "part-time" foreign volunteers?

Post by Hayes » 02 Nov 2021 14:15

We hear about the foreign volunteers recruited by the Axis to serve full-time at the front or in support roles. But were there any foreign volunteers who were only recruited for part-time service? Perhaps a foreign-volunteer equivalent to the LDV in Britain, recruited somewhere in Axis-held Europe?

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Re: Were there any "part-time" foreign volunteers?

Post by Lasse » 02 Nov 2021 19:40

Do you mean in relation to "time limited recruitment contracts" or "held civilian employments at the same time as serving in the SS"?

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Re: Were there any "part-time" foreign volunteers?

Post by Hayes » 02 Nov 2021 19:57

Lasse wrote:
02 Nov 2021 19:40
Do you mean in relation to "time limited recruitment contracts" or "held civilian employments at the same time as serving in the SS"?
Sorry, I mentioned the LDV (Home Guard) to illustrate my definition of "part-time", but I realise not everyone might be familiar with who the LDV were :wink:

By "part-time" I mean people who held civilian jobs while simultaneously being part of some volunteer unit (doesn't have to be SS). For example the Home Guard in Britain was a militia made up of various citizens who weren't serving in the regular armed forces (due to factors such as age, health, or working in critical industries). They held their day jobs as normal (if they had them), and attended training/duty in their free hours (usually evenings and weekends). They often didn't live in a barracks, but went home after their training/duty was done for the day.

I was curious if Germany, Italy, etc. recruited "part-time" units like this from other nationalities in occupied Europe.

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Re: Were there any "part-time" foreign volunteers?

Post by Wim » 10 Nov 2021 07:48

Hello,

In 1941 some Flemish volunteers signed a 2 year contract for the Waffen SS. Some of them quit the SS after the 2 year most of them signed on. Not a lot later the only contract they could sign was for as long as the war.

For the NSKK and Org. Todt that were different stories. Here were more part time contracts.

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Re: Were there any "part-time" foreign volunteers?

Post by ML59 » 20 Nov 2021 17:50

There were many part-time pro-nazis militia all over Europe, meaning units whose members were, mostly, attending their own business and dedicated some hours of their time to train as a militia-men or performing support roles to the Axis. One example is the M.V.A.C. (Milizia Volontaria Anti Comunista), organized and armed by the Italian Regio Esercito and Regia Marina that had some barracked units but also a lot of loosely organized units, called "bande VAC" that were set up in some villages and were subjected to a local chief that called its members to arms when there was a need (attack of partisans, protection of harvest and cattle and so on).

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Re: Were there any "part-time" foreign volunteers?

Post by ML59 » 26 Nov 2021 16:59

Another strong collaborationist organization that supported the nazis in France was the Milice Francais, with a force of about 15.000 part-time members and about the same number of full-time "milicien".

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Re: Were there any "part-time" foreign volunteers?

Post by Loïc » 27 Nov 2021 22:59

Never the Milice was able to gather 15 000 full-time permanent Francs-Gardes but rather only 4000 to 7000, being part, at the very best, of the around 10 to 15 000 total of both full-time and part-time and others members having some real activity in the organisation

the total of 30 000 men and women usually given but often misunderstood is only the theoretical number of memberships including until passive members on the lists registred voluntarily like the sympathizers, or not voluntarily even without their knowledge, or even as a moral guarantee to escape to the STO or the germans in some cases, used as figure for the propaganda and to give more credibility by the Milice

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Re: Were there any "part-time" foreign volunteers?

Post by ML59 » 29 Nov 2021 12:30

Glad to have more infos about the matter, very fascinating for me. I've got the figures from a Histoire & Collection publication, maybe not the best source.

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