Recent Haaretz Article: When Jews Praised Mussolini and Supported Nazis

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Re: Recent Haaretz Article: When Jews Praised Mussolini and Supported Nazis

Post by COmentator » 09 Nov 2023 11:02

The Stern group was a very small part of jabotinsly revionist Zionism....as usuall the left Haaretz et all is trying to paint the Right as being based in fascistim...of course the left had their own neo-marxist formations of Jews {ben Gurion political idea of a leader was Vladimir Lenin!} yet it was jabotinsky who would have led a revolt against the British occupation of the Land of Israel with support and arms from Poland, Hungary and Romania...had it not been for the outbreak of the War 1 September 1939 he prabably would have succededd...Likewise It was Jabotinsky who obtained the consent from these three goverments for large scale Jewish immigration to go up to Israel...the left as usual sneered at him...{again the outbreak of the war ruined his plans and trapped thousands of Jews to their deaths...lastly of the 40 or so Illegeal Jewish undergraod railway escape routes by sea running the Royal navy blockade of the waters of the Land of Israel...30 [90%] was organized by revionist Zionism only 10 were by the left..see William R Pearl's "The 4 Front War" appendix

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Re: Recent Haaretz Article: When Jews Praised Mussolini and Supported Nazis

Post by CogCalgary » 10 Nov 2023 03:41

COmentator wrote:
09 Nov 2023 11:02
The Stern group was a very small part of jabotinsly revionist Zionism....as usuall the left Haaretz et all is trying to paint the Right as being based in fascistim...of course the left had their own neo-marxist formations of Jews {ben Gurion political idea of a leader was Vladimir Lenin!} yet it was jabotinsky who would have led a revolt against the British occupation of the Land of Israel with support and arms from Poland, Hungary and Romania...had it not been for the outbreak of the War 1 September 1939 he prabably would have succededd...Likewise It was Jabotinsky who obtained the consent from these three goverments for large scale Jewish immigration to go up to Israel...the left as usual sneered at him...{again the outbreak of the war ruined his plans and trapped thousands of Jews to their deaths...lastly of the 40 or so Illegeal Jewish undergraod railway escape routes by sea running the Royal navy blockade of the waters of the Land of Israel...30 [90%] was organized by revionist Zionism only 10 were by the left..see William R Pearl's "The 4 Front War" appendix
Cunningham as High Commissioner of Palestine said that they all worked together.

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Re: Recent Haaretz Article: When Jews Praised Mussolini and Supported Nazis

Post by COmentator » 10 Nov 2023 17:07

They did not work together,,,in fact the elite haganah commandos Palmach action in 1944 was to work together with the British-Palestine Police to
arrest members of the Irgun and the revionist Party {Most of whom were not members of the Irgun]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Saison
"...There is also evidence suggesting that the Agency used the Saison for political motives, naming members of the Revisionist Party who weren't Irgun members. A letter from the High Commissioner to the Minister of Colonies dating March 1, 1945, read: "Unfortunately, the Jewish Agency's lists of so-called terrorists continues to include numerous people who have no terror connections, but politically speaking are undesirable to the Jewish Agency. This adds to the difficulties the police has in separating the sheep from the goats."

The Stern group was a breakaway from Irgun

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Re: Recent Haaretz Article: When Jews Praised Mussolini and Supported Nazis

Post by wm » 12 Nov 2023 23:26

Jacob Israël de Haan was a Dutch Jewish literary writer, lawyer, and journalist who immigrated to Palestine in 1919 and was assassinated in Jerusalem in 1924 by the Zionist paramilitary organization Haganah for his anti-Zionist political activities.
He was murdered by Avraham Tehomi (1903–1990), a Jewish militant who served as a Haganah commander and was one of the founders and first commander of the Irgun.

De Haan was a spokesman for the powerful (especially in Poland) and, at that time, staunchly anti-Zionist Haredi Agudath Israel.
He supported the establishment of an official Palestinian state (i.e., ruled by the Palestinians) within the Emirate of Transjordan. The Old Yishuv (the pre-Zionist Jewish community in the Holy Land) was going to be a part of it.
De Haan made plans to travel to London in July 1924, with an anti-Zionist Haredi delegation to argue against Zionism.

The murder was blamed on Arabs, but when the truth was revealed in 1952, it sent shockwaves through the Haredi community.
These people, presumably members of Neturei Karta or Edah HaChareidis, pay their respects to their martyr.


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