33. Waff.Gren.Div. der SS "Charlemagne"(franz. Nr. 1)
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Re: 33.Waff.Gren.Div.der SS "Charlemange"(franz.Nr.1)
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Does someone know a Pz.Jgd.Verband Charlemange? Pommern 1945
Jan
Does someone know a Pz.Jgd.Verband Charlemange? Pommern 1945
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Re: 33.Waff.Gren.Div.der SS "Charlemange"(franz.Nr.1)
Hello to all!!
It's this a French volunteer ,?
To note the shield..ebay
It's this a French volunteer ,?
To note the shield..ebay
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Re: 33.Waff.Gren.Div.der SS "Charlemange"(franz.Nr.1)
Hello Franky Ritter,
I do not think this soldier belongs of Charlemagne.
His nationality badge looks like a walloon one. The left color is black either red, and there is no eagle (ärmelhoheitsabzeichen) on the left arm.
He his a Belgian soldier, not a French one.
Regards.
I do not think this soldier belongs of Charlemagne.
His nationality badge looks like a walloon one. The left color is black either red, and there is no eagle (ärmelhoheitsabzeichen) on the left arm.
He his a Belgian soldier, not a French one.
Regards.
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Re: 33.Waff.Gren.Div.der SS "Charlemange"(franz.Nr.1)
Hi
When Krukenberg assumed command of the 33.SS-Div.?
When he assumed command of the 11.SS-Div.?
I have several other dates and wanted to balance them.
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When Krukenberg assumed command of the 33.SS-Div.?
When he assumed command of the 11.SS-Div.?
I have several other dates and wanted to balance them.
Jan
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Re: 33.Waff.Gren.Div.der SS "Charlemange"(franz.Nr.1)
Krukenburg became CO of the Inspektion der französischen SS-Verbände (in F) in October 1944. The division started forming in November 1944 but wasn't officially announced until the second week of February. So I believe you could say Krukenburg became divisional CO betweenn Feb 2-10, 1945.
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Re: 33.Waff.Gren.Div.der SS "Charlemange"(franz.Nr.1)
I believe General Weilding asked Krukenberg to take command of the 11th SS on April 25th, 1945.
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Hi Malbret17
Is the photo for sale on eBay? Or is it an insignia badge and this photo is used as verification?
I disagree. At this late stage of the war uniform regulations had slipped, and the nationality badge could be just as much French as it could be Belgian.I do not think this soldier belongs of Charlemagne.
His nationality badge looks like a walloon one. The left color is black either red, and there is no eagle (ärmelhoheitsabzeichen) on the left arm.
He his a Belgian soldier, not a French one.
Is the photo for sale on eBay? Or is it an insignia badge and this photo is used as verification?
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Re: 33.Waff.Gren.Div.der SS "Charlemange"(franz.Nr.1)
Note that Waffen-Oberführer Edgard Puaud is listed as the division commander from Feb 10-Feb 28, 1945 (Kurt Menher Die Waffen-SS und Polizei 1939-45, with Krukenburg taking over on March 1, 1945. However, I believe Krukenberg was the de-facto divisional commander in Feb.
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Thanks Rob for this Informations.
How strong was the storm Btl. it was moved Berlin still shortly before the inclusion? Who led this?
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Thanks Rob for this Informations.
How strong was the storm Btl. it was moved Berlin still shortly before the inclusion? Who led this?
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Re: 33.Waff.Gren.Div.der SS "Charlemange"(franz.Nr.1)
Hi Jan -
On April 23, 1945, the division basically disintegrated into these elements
- Remnants of Regt. 58 (circa 300 men) become "Kampfbattalion 58" (a.k.a. Sturmbattalion Charlemagne a.k.a. Kampfgruppe Charlemagne) under the command of 57th Regt. CO SS-Hauptsturmführer Fenet (a.k.a. Fernet).
- SS-Obersturmführer Weber commanded the division headquarters escort company.
- Circa 400 men unwilling to fight were assigned to a labor battalion under SS-Sturmbannführer Boudet-Gheusi
- Division commander Krukenberg released and additional 400 men from service.
- Remainder of division (estimated numbers of troops vary from 300 to 1,200 men) are sent to fight in the Battle of Berlin.
On April 24: Krukenberg was asked to report to the Reichs Chancellery and advised to take an escort. He took Hauptsturmführer Fenet with 90 men riding in three trucks and two APCs - literally the last of the division's vehicles. So I guess this would answer your question about which sturmbattalion was first into the Berlin city center.
On April 25, Kampfbattalion 58 was briefly attached to the 7th Luftland division.
On April 23, 1945, the division basically disintegrated into these elements
- Remnants of Regt. 58 (circa 300 men) become "Kampfbattalion 58" (a.k.a. Sturmbattalion Charlemagne a.k.a. Kampfgruppe Charlemagne) under the command of 57th Regt. CO SS-Hauptsturmführer Fenet (a.k.a. Fernet).
- SS-Obersturmführer Weber commanded the division headquarters escort company.
- Circa 400 men unwilling to fight were assigned to a labor battalion under SS-Sturmbannführer Boudet-Gheusi
- Division commander Krukenberg released and additional 400 men from service.
- Remainder of division (estimated numbers of troops vary from 300 to 1,200 men) are sent to fight in the Battle of Berlin.
On April 24: Krukenberg was asked to report to the Reichs Chancellery and advised to take an escort. He took Hauptsturmführer Fenet with 90 men riding in three trucks and two APCs - literally the last of the division's vehicles. So I guess this would answer your question about which sturmbattalion was first into the Berlin city center.
On April 25, Kampfbattalion 58 was briefly attached to the 7th Luftland division.
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Rob its great Job.
I have one Questions.
Do you Stellenbesetzung of Sturm-Btl.??
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I have one Questions.
Do you Stellenbesetzung of Sturm-Btl.??
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Re: 33.Waff.Gren.Div.der SS "Charlemange"(franz.Nr.1)
Hi Jan - unfortunately no, I don't.
One observation I'd like to make about the 33rd SS in April 1945 is there is a mass of complex and contradictory data about the various component and remnants of the division - which group when where under what commander, etc.
AHF forum member Phil Don's got some great info at about the division's last days on the first page of this thread http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 1&t=136002 but there's still gray areas. For example, did Boudet-Gheusi command a labor battalion or what it the division's supply column. Or we they one and the same?
Given the maelstrom of the war's final 2 weeks I doubt we'll ever get a 100% historically accurate account of Charlemagne's final days. But I must commend you on your diligence at compiling all this data!
One observation I'd like to make about the 33rd SS in April 1945 is there is a mass of complex and contradictory data about the various component and remnants of the division - which group when where under what commander, etc.
AHF forum member Phil Don's got some great info at about the division's last days on the first page of this thread http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 1&t=136002 but there's still gray areas. For example, did Boudet-Gheusi command a labor battalion or what it the division's supply column. Or we they one and the same?
Given the maelstrom of the war's final 2 weeks I doubt we'll ever get a 100% historically accurate account of Charlemagne's final days. But I must commend you on your diligence at compiling all this data!
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Thanks
Can someone help me?
How was the storm Brigade divided?
Jan
Can someone help me?
How was the storm Brigade divided?
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Hstuf. 1a,33.SS-Frw.Gren.Div 4.45
Hstuf. Waff-Gren.Brig.Frankreich 11.44
Ostuf. Stb,PzGr.Sch.Prosetschnitz 5.44
DKiG:24.4.44 Ostuf. Chef,4./SS-PGR.48
Ostuf. 11.SS-PzGren.Div 11.43
Ustuf. Staff,III.SS-PzKorps 9.43
Ustuf. 4./SS-PzGren.Rgt.Nederland 8.43
Ustuf. 12./Leg.Niederlande 8.42
Ustuf. 13./Leg.Niederlande 9.41
Oscha(RFA). 4.RFA.Radolfzel 5.41
Strm. 3./SS-IR.Deutschland 2.41
Mann. 3./SS-IR.Deutschland 3.40
Mann. 4./SS-Ers.Btl.Deutschland 10.39
EKI:7.4.43 EKII:22.2.42 CCCB:24.4.44
EM:1.8.42 WB:22.4.42 IAB:1.4.41
SS:401359 Hstuf:9.11.44 Ostuf:9.11.43
Ustuf:1.9.41 Oscha(RFA):1.6.41
Uscha:20.4.41 Strm:9.11.40
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Hstuf. Waff-Gren.Brig.Frankreich 11.44
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DKiG:24.4.44 Ostuf. Chef,4./SS-PGR.48
Ostuf. 11.SS-PzGren.Div 11.43
Ustuf. Staff,III.SS-PzKorps 9.43
Ustuf. 4./SS-PzGren.Rgt.Nederland 8.43
Ustuf. 12./Leg.Niederlande 8.42
Ustuf. 13./Leg.Niederlande 9.41
Oscha(RFA). 4.RFA.Radolfzel 5.41
Strm. 3./SS-IR.Deutschland 2.41
Mann. 3./SS-IR.Deutschland 3.40
Mann. 4./SS-Ers.Btl.Deutschland 10.39
EKI:7.4.43 EKII:22.2.42 CCCB:24.4.44
EM:1.8.42 WB:22.4.42 IAB:1.4.41
SS:401359 Hstuf:9.11.44 Ostuf:9.11.43
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Re: 33.Waff.Gren.Div.der SS "Charlemange"(franz.Nr.1)
Per Tieke an Hstuf. Kroepsch was Kdr. of the Bau-Batallion in late April 1945 (p.430).
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