Handschar ...some photos

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Handschar ...some photos

Post by FRANCY RITTER » 02 Apr 2008 13:08

Hello :)
Some photos on Handschar's members , from ebay exp.auction ...
Cheers Francesco :wink:

P.s :The first three only German members .
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Re: Handschar ...some photos

Post by FRANCY RITTER » 02 Apr 2008 13:10

other two , from same source.

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Re: Handschar ...some photos

Post by George Lepre » 03 Apr 2008 04:33

Hi Francy Ritter -

I can say that the first photo in your second message is of the late Heinz Gerlach. He died a few years ago.

The photos in the first message do NOT resemble Handschar at all. I would be very surprised if indeed these photographs portrayed the 13th Division.

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Re: Handschar ...some photos

Post by FRANCY RITTER » 03 Apr 2008 09:03

Hello George !! :D
I have noticed the gaiters that these soldiers wear in the all photos...... equal to those in equipment to the handschar .



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Re: Handschar ...some photos

Post by George Lepre » 04 Apr 2008 00:39

Hi Francy Ritter -

Thanks for your response.

The photo of the three Handschar officers (von Rautenfeld, Schilling, and Launer) you posted was taken on 12 May 1943 in Zagreb during the "solemn induction of the Croatian volunteers into the Waffen SS." The German officers who were present that day did wear these gaiters, but I can't say that I know of any other case in which they were worn. Moreover, they wore fezzes, not steel helmets. The volunteers who paraded there wore either no collar insignia or blank insignia in place of SS runes (only the Germans were permitted to wear runes). I have seen numerous photos of this event and can tell you that the first photo was not taken in Zagreb.

You'll note that the soldiers in the first photo you posted do not wear the "Edelweiss" insigne on their right sleeves or the "Handschar" collar insigne. In the second photo, they do not wear the Croatian sleeve insigne. If this were Handschar, it could only have been taken during the earliest days of the division (1943). The troops appear to be wearing SS runes, which the Bosnians were not allowed to wear, especially in 1943. It should also be noted that the men in the photo look German. I just looked through all of the photos I possess from the division's early days and I can't say that I've seen any that look like it. Did the seller say anything about where he obtained the photo?

I should also note that the photo beneath the Gerlach portrait is definitely Handschar.

Best regards,

George

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Re: Handschar ...some photos

Post by FRANCY RITTER » 04 Apr 2008 07:19

George Lepre wrote:Hi Francy Ritter -

Thanks for your response.

The photo of the three Handschar officers (von Rautenfeld, Schilling, and Launer) you posted was taken on 12 May 1943 in Zagreb during the "solemn induction of the Croatian volunteers into the Waffen SS." The German officers who were present that day did wear these gaiters, but I can't say that I know of any other case in which they were worn. Moreover, they wore fezzes, not steel helmets. The volunteers who paraded there wore either no collar insignia or blank insignia in place of SS runes (only the Germans were permitted to wear runes). I have seen numerous photos of this event and can tell you that the first photo was not taken in Zagreb.

You'll note that the soldiers in the first photo you posted do not wear the "Edelweiss" insigne on their right sleeves or the "Handschar" collar insigne. In the second photo, they do not wear the Croatian sleeve insigne. If this were Handschar, it could only have been taken during the earliest days of the division (1943). The troops appear to be wearing SS runes, which the Bosnians were not allowed to wear, especially in 1943. It should also be noted that the men in the photo look German. I just looked through all of the photos I possess from the division's early days and I can't say that I've seen any that look like it. Did the seller say anything about where he obtained the photo?

I should also note that the photo beneath the Gerlach portrait is definitely Handschar.

Best regards,

George


Hello George !! :)
Thank you for your reply and for your conclusion on these photos... :wink:

P.s : Unfortunately nothing news from seller :|


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Re: Handschar ...some photos

Post by Askold » 08 Apr 2008 06:29

What exactly shows that these men belong to Handschar? Gaiters could have been worn by other SS gerbs. divisions like Nord.

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Re: Handschar ...some photos

Post by FRANCY RITTER » 09 Apr 2008 13:37

Askold wrote:What exactly shows that these men belong to Handschar? Gaiters could have been worn by other SS gerbs. divisions like Nord.
During the formation of the division (the Handschar) it did not have the same gaiters's type, of Nord or other SS-mountain (and Heer unit) .

Below soldier of Prinz Eugen and soldiers of Nord .

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Re: Handschar ...some photos

Post by bzy16257 » 27 May 2008 05:07

Handschar ?
some photos purchased recently.

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Re: Handschar ...some photos

Post by FRANCY RITTER » 27 May 2008 06:12

French Soldier ??? :?

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Re: Handschar ...some photos

Post by LMA-17 » 04 Jun 2008 08:32

Look like Bosnian or Sandzak Moslems militias...

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Re: Handschar ...some photos

Post by Kernian » 06 Jun 2008 08:36

First and second pictures: Belgian soldiers (together with French POWs) according to me.

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Re: Handschar ...some photos

Post by clement » 06 Jun 2008 17:22

I agree with Kernian ,Belgians wearing the "Bonnet de Police " and French guys from the colonial army.
Another pic of Handschar that I appreciate.
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Re: Handschar ...some photos

Post by clement » 08 Jun 2008 13:35

Some pics have disapeared from this page ??????

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Re: Handschar ...some photos

Post by FRANCY RITTER » 09 Jun 2008 14:08

clement wrote:Some pics have disapeared from this page ??????
Yesss 8O

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