Handschar ...some photos
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Handschar ...some photos
Hello
Some photos on Handschar's members , from ebay exp.auction ...
Cheers Francesco
P.s :The first three only German members .
Some photos on Handschar's members , from ebay exp.auction ...
Cheers Francesco
P.s :The first three only German members .
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other two , from same source.
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Hi Francy Ritter -
I can say that the first photo in your second message is of the late Heinz Gerlach. He died a few years ago.
The photos in the first message do NOT resemble Handschar at all. I would be very surprised if indeed these photographs portrayed the 13th Division.
Best regards,
George
I can say that the first photo in your second message is of the late Heinz Gerlach. He died a few years ago.
The photos in the first message do NOT resemble Handschar at all. I would be very surprised if indeed these photographs portrayed the 13th Division.
Best regards,
George
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Hello George !!
I have noticed the gaiters that these soldiers wear in the all photos...... equal to those in equipment to the handschar .
I have noticed the gaiters that these soldiers wear in the all photos...... equal to those in equipment to the handschar .
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Hi Francy Ritter -
Thanks for your response.
The photo of the three Handschar officers (von Rautenfeld, Schilling, and Launer) you posted was taken on 12 May 1943 in Zagreb during the "solemn induction of the Croatian volunteers into the Waffen SS." The German officers who were present that day did wear these gaiters, but I can't say that I know of any other case in which they were worn. Moreover, they wore fezzes, not steel helmets. The volunteers who paraded there wore either no collar insignia or blank insignia in place of SS runes (only the Germans were permitted to wear runes). I have seen numerous photos of this event and can tell you that the first photo was not taken in Zagreb.
You'll note that the soldiers in the first photo you posted do not wear the "Edelweiss" insigne on their right sleeves or the "Handschar" collar insigne. In the second photo, they do not wear the Croatian sleeve insigne. If this were Handschar, it could only have been taken during the earliest days of the division (1943). The troops appear to be wearing SS runes, which the Bosnians were not allowed to wear, especially in 1943. It should also be noted that the men in the photo look German. I just looked through all of the photos I possess from the division's early days and I can't say that I've seen any that look like it. Did the seller say anything about where he obtained the photo?
I should also note that the photo beneath the Gerlach portrait is definitely Handschar.
Best regards,
George
Thanks for your response.
The photo of the three Handschar officers (von Rautenfeld, Schilling, and Launer) you posted was taken on 12 May 1943 in Zagreb during the "solemn induction of the Croatian volunteers into the Waffen SS." The German officers who were present that day did wear these gaiters, but I can't say that I know of any other case in which they were worn. Moreover, they wore fezzes, not steel helmets. The volunteers who paraded there wore either no collar insignia or blank insignia in place of SS runes (only the Germans were permitted to wear runes). I have seen numerous photos of this event and can tell you that the first photo was not taken in Zagreb.
You'll note that the soldiers in the first photo you posted do not wear the "Edelweiss" insigne on their right sleeves or the "Handschar" collar insigne. In the second photo, they do not wear the Croatian sleeve insigne. If this were Handschar, it could only have been taken during the earliest days of the division (1943). The troops appear to be wearing SS runes, which the Bosnians were not allowed to wear, especially in 1943. It should also be noted that the men in the photo look German. I just looked through all of the photos I possess from the division's early days and I can't say that I've seen any that look like it. Did the seller say anything about where he obtained the photo?
I should also note that the photo beneath the Gerlach portrait is definitely Handschar.
Best regards,
George
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George Lepre wrote:Hi Francy Ritter -
Thanks for your response.
The photo of the three Handschar officers (von Rautenfeld, Schilling, and Launer) you posted was taken on 12 May 1943 in Zagreb during the "solemn induction of the Croatian volunteers into the Waffen SS." The German officers who were present that day did wear these gaiters, but I can't say that I know of any other case in which they were worn. Moreover, they wore fezzes, not steel helmets. The volunteers who paraded there wore either no collar insignia or blank insignia in place of SS runes (only the Germans were permitted to wear runes). I have seen numerous photos of this event and can tell you that the first photo was not taken in Zagreb.
You'll note that the soldiers in the first photo you posted do not wear the "Edelweiss" insigne on their right sleeves or the "Handschar" collar insigne. In the second photo, they do not wear the Croatian sleeve insigne. If this were Handschar, it could only have been taken during the earliest days of the division (1943). The troops appear to be wearing SS runes, which the Bosnians were not allowed to wear, especially in 1943. It should also be noted that the men in the photo look German. I just looked through all of the photos I possess from the division's early days and I can't say that I've seen any that look like it. Did the seller say anything about where he obtained the photo?
I should also note that the photo beneath the Gerlach portrait is definitely Handschar.
Best regards,
George
Hello George !!
Thank you for your reply and for your conclusion on these photos...
P.s : Unfortunately nothing news from seller
Cheers and ...Handzaru Udaraj!
Francesco
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Then let me see your war face!
Private Joker: [nervously] Sir?
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: You got a war face! AHHHHHHHHHHH! That's a war face, let me see your war face!
Private Joker: [nervously] Sir?
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: You got a war face! AHHHHHHHHHHH! That's a war face, let me see your war face!
Re: Handschar ...some photos
What exactly shows that these men belong to Handschar? Gaiters could have been worn by other SS gerbs. divisions like Nord.
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During the formation of the division (the Handschar) it did not have the same gaiters's type, of Nord or other SS-mountain (and Heer unit) .Askold wrote:What exactly shows that these men belong to Handschar? Gaiters could have been worn by other SS gerbs. divisions like Nord.
Below soldier of Prinz Eugen and soldiers of Nord .
Re: Handschar ...some photos
Handschar ?
some photos purchased recently.
some photos purchased recently.
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French Soldier ???
Re: Handschar ...some photos
Look like Bosnian or Sandzak Moslems militias...
Re: Handschar ...some photos
First and second pictures: Belgian soldiers (together with French POWs) according to me.
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I agree with Kernian ,Belgians wearing the "Bonnet de Police " and French guys from the colonial army.
Another pic of Handschar that I appreciate.
Best
Another pic of Handschar that I appreciate.
Best
Re: Handschar ...some photos
Some pics have disapeared from this page ??????
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Yesssclement wrote:Some pics have disapeared from this page ??????