Serbian volunteers in SS Karstjäger???

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Re: Serbian volunteers in SS Karstjäger???

Post by Ustuf.33 » 30 Sep 2010 21:02

I already say the source of these 3 photos gaius : it is Karstjager, from Corbatti.

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Re: Serbian volunteers in SS Karstjäger???

Post by xqtr » 01 Oct 2010 21:49

Ustuf.33 wrote:I already say the source of these 3 photos gaius : it is Karstjager, from Corbatti.
If it`s written there that is SDK member,then I agree. Both SDK and Slovenian home-guards had Italian uniforms,but Slovenian home-guards had their coat of arms on the helmet and on the left hand,while SDK didn`t put their coat of arms on Italian uniforms and helmets.
Picture of SDK with Italian uniforms on parade in Belgrade on 22nd June 1944:
http://www.znaci.net/images/11911.jpg

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Re: Serbian volunteers in SS Karstjäger???

Post by Serbian heavy cavalry » 17 Oct 2010 17:13

I know this topic was dead for 17 days but I have found something interesting in the book ''Italian volunteers of the Waffen SS''

Here it is.

The 24th SS Mountain Division "Karstjaeger" never actually developed Into a full-scale division but nonetheless remained
a highly efficient combat unit throughout its existence. It contained a mixed bag of personnel, dominated by a largely Austrian officer and NCO corps. Ethnic-Germans from the South Tyrol constituted the main manpower element but they were supplemented by pro-Fascist ethnic Italians along with Slovenes, Croats and possibly some Serbs as well.

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Re: Serbian volunteers in SS Karstjäger???

Post by Hecht » 13 Nov 2010 17:24

Serbian heavy cavalry wrote: possibly some Serbs as well.
What's the source for this?

There were several Volksdeutschen from former Yugoslavia amongst the 24., possibily from Serbia also, but they were not ethnic serbs.
I've never encountered names of Serbs in such division, but there were quite a few Bosnian Muslims.
Pictures posted are related to the Serbian SS Volunteers which was NOT attached to the 24.

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Re: Serbian volunteers in SS Karstjäger???

Post by Serbian heavy cavalry » 13 Nov 2010 19:47

Hecht wrote:
Serbian heavy cavalry wrote: possibly some Serbs as well.
What's the source for this?

There were several Volksdeutschen from former Yugoslavia amongst the 24., possibily from Serbia also, but they were not ethnic serbs.
I've never encountered names of Serbs in such division, but there were quite a few Bosnian Muslims.
Pictures posted are related to the Serbian SS Volunteers which was NOT attached to the 24.
It is a book ''Italian volunteers of Waffen-SS'' by Richard Landwehr.

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Re: Serbian volunteers in SS Karstjäger???

Post by Rob - wssob2 » 13 Nov 2010 19:52

It is a book ''Italian volunteers of Waffen-SS'' by Richard Landwehr.
IMO it's a terribly written, poorly researched work. I doubt it's reliable.

SHC, why are you so interested in Serbs in the 24th SS? What does it matter?

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Re: Serbian volunteers in SS Karstjäger???

Post by Serbian heavy cavalry » 13 Nov 2010 20:58

Rob - wssob2 wrote:
It is a book ''Italian volunteers of Waffen-SS'' by Richard Landwehr.
IMO it's a terribly written, poorly researched work. I doubt it's reliable.

SHC, why are you so interested in Serbs in the 24th SS? What does it matter?
Nothing special. I was looking in Axis History Factbook http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=1919 when I saw this ''It consisted mainly of volunteers from Italy but also of volunteers from Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia and the Ukraine'' and I got interested.

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Re: Serbian volunteers in SS Karstjäger???

Post by George Lepre » 13 Nov 2010 21:22

Rob - wssob2 wrote:
It is a book ''Italian volunteers of Waffen-SS'' by Richard Landwehr.
SHC, why are you so interested in Serbs in the 24th SS? What does it matter?
Rob -

If the guy wants to know something, he's allowed to ask.

George

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Re: Serbian volunteers in SS Karstjäger???

Post by Rob - wssob2 » 13 Nov 2010 21:47

If the guy wants to know something, he's allowed to ask.
Absolutely. Am I in turn allowed to ask about a persons interest?

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Re: Serbian volunteers in SS Karstjäger???

Post by George Lepre » 13 Nov 2010 22:48

Rob -

This isn't the first time you've responded to members' questions with such remarks as "So what?" or "What does it matter?" If you're sincerely interested in other members' inquiries, I'm sure you can drop the obnoxious tone and respond in a civil manner.

George

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Re: Serbian volunteers in SS Karstjäger???

Post by Hecht » 15 Nov 2010 21:54

Rob - wssob2 wrote:SHC, why are you so interested in Serbs in the 24th SS? What does it matter?
So, since when infos about ethinc presence amongst WSS divisions doesn't matter in historical terms?
IMHO, at least for me, discover that Serbs were eventually part of the 24 would be a very interesting info, and I'm not even Serb.

Dear Sir, always remember that if you have learnt a lot of things about SS, is just because there's people around that research and discover them.

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Re: Serbian volunteers in SS Karstjäger???

Post by Srbac » 30 Nov 2022 05:32

Ustuf.33 wrote:
30 Sep 2010 14:09
Slovenian home defense?? but they never belonged to the SS, isn't it??
do you have some proof that you think it is slovenian, and not serb?
This picture is Serbian Volunteer Corps soldiers that were issued Turkistan legion uniforms, and some wearing Italian stuff basic, and m40 ss hats.. they were probably issued for the future normal use as SDK did get into SS order of battle.

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Re: Serbian volunteers in SS Karstjäger???

Post by Ivan Ž. » 02 Dec 2022 18:15

Srbac wrote:
30 Nov 2022 05:32
This picture is Serbian Volunteer Corps soldiers that were issued Turkistan legion uniforms, and some wearing Italian stuff basic, and m40 ss hats.. they were probably issued for the future normal use as SDK did get into SS order of battle.
Dear God, no. As Semenov correctly suggested 12 years ago, those are not members of the Serbian Volunteer Corps. It was a misassumption in Corbatti/Nava's Karstjäger book (based on a poor knowledge of uniforms), which ignorant people took for granted. The Serbian volunteers never wore such uniforms, nor did they wear non-Serbian insignia. They were only issued a portion of Italian helmets after the Italian capitulation - as were other troops lacking helmets (for example, the Slovenian Home Guard).

The pictured collar tabs are of the style used by the (ethnic German) Wehrmannschaft in Slovenia. They seem to be light-coloured (not black) and are all piped - as worn by the Wehrmannschaft. Serbian collar tabs weren't piped and were shaped differently than German ones. The enlisted Waffen-SS or SD men also didn't wear piped tabs (only their officers wore them, and rarely NCOs). And pictured are enlisted men. However, the Wehrmannschaft belonged to the SA and thus didn't wear SS caps (also, I can't remember seeing them wear dark collars). So, to which particular unit the pictured men belonged I can't tell for sure, but it's probably a less-documented formation, originating from the territory of Slovenia.

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Ivan
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