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Flemish SS-Untersturmführer

Post by -Michael » 08 Dec 2016 00:08

I’m doing a study about the Flemish officers of the Waffen-SS
For my study I’m looking for the promotion dates of following officers.
The officers where promoted to SS-Untersturmführer.

Beeckman, Karel (22.12.1914)
Dams, Ludwig (Antwerpen, 15.5.1925)
De Vriesere, Georges (7.8.1923)
De Vuyst, Peter (27.8.1918)
De Witte, Gilbert (Moerbeke, 12.10.1922 - Oststernberg, Zielenzig (Sulecin), 1.12.1944)
Mariën, Jozef (Rotterdam, 21.7.1916 - Rendsburg, 5.3.1945)
Maris, Lode
Raes, Leo (22.2.1924)
Rosseau, Georges (24.1.1921)
Stuyck, Floris ‘Flor’ (13.12.1914)
Van den Borght, Albert (Aalst, 22.4.1919 - Zelen, 25.2.1999)
Van Nitsen (Vannitsem), Ferdinand (Oostende 29.3.1922)

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Re: Flemish SS-Untersturmführer

Post by Wim » 13 Dec 2016 08:02

I have the following dates:

Dams Ludwig : 00.06.1944
De Vriesere Georges : 00.01.1945
Van den Borght Albert: 00.12.1944
Any information about Flemisch in German service (Waffen SS, OT, NSKK, Kriegsmarine, DRK, ...) during WWII is welcome.

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Re: Flemish SS-Untersturmführer

Post by -Michael » 15 Dec 2016 10:05

Hi Wim,
Thank you very much,
I don't have any information about the officer courses that these men followed and they aren't mentioned in the SS-Verordnungs- or -Personalveränderungsblätter.

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Re: Flemish SS-Untersturmführer

Post by Wim » 15 Dec 2016 12:43

Hello Michael,

I do not know it either.

If you look at the Führerliste from John Moore (the word docs A,B,C, ...) for Dams, De Vriesere, Van der borght thats where i got the info from.
Mayby the others are also mentioned in that general list.

Wim
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Re: Flemish SS-Untersturmführer

Post by -Michael » 11 Dec 2018 22:30

Karel Beeckman and Gilbert De Witte where both Leutnant in the ‘Flämische Wachabteilung’. The ‘Flämische Wachabteilung’ was a Flemish security unit in the uniform of the Wehrmacht (Heer). After the allied liberation, the unit moved to Germany and both men joined the Waffen-SS.
They where send to the SS-Art.Schule II Beneschau, to attent the 13. Kriegs-Res.-Junker-Lehrgang.

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Re: Flemish SS-Untersturmführer

Post by MarcHS » 13 May 2021 19:27

Joseph Marien grew up in Flanders, but I'm pretty sure he had the Dutch nationality.
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Re: Flemish SS-Untersturmführer

Post by -Michael » 14 May 2021 16:25

Thanks for the document Marc,
What’s your source if i may ask?

Groeten en mijn complimenten voor uw interessante website.
Michaël

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Post by Wim » 14 May 2021 16:27

Hello Marc,

Are you sure because a lot of flemish fled during WWI to the Netherlands -> birthyear 1916.

Greetings.

Wim
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Post by -Michael » 14 May 2021 16:33

Hi Wim,
The document says so.
If you are born in a country you automatically get the nationality of that country.
The question is if his parents had the Belgian nationality.

Michaël

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Re: Flemish SS-Untersturmführer

Post by Wim » 14 May 2021 16:51

Hello Michael,

A Flemish born in France buried in germany fought with the Flemish Flak is now buried in France 'mort pour la patrie' as a Hero.

So they also noted the nationalty because he was born in Rotterdam. A common mistake made more than once.

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Re: Flemish SS-Untersturmführer

Post by MarcHS » 14 May 2021 18:43

-Michael wrote:
14 May 2021 16:25
Thanks for the document Marc,
What’s your source if i may ask?

Groeten en mijn complimenten voor uw interessante website.
Michaël
Hello Michaël,

Thanks for the compliment.
The picture is taken from the following archive:
Nationaal Archief, Nederlandse Rode Kruis – Gravendienst, nummer archiefinventaris 2.19.316, inventarisnummer 1034. It involves Dutch casulaties in war time, who lost their dutch citizenship.
If you're interested, let me know.

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Re: Flemish SS-Untersturmführer

Post by MarcHS » 14 May 2021 18:45

Wim wrote:
14 May 2021 16:27
Hello Marc,

Are you sure because a lot of flemish fled during WWI to the Netherlands -> birthyear 1916.

Greetings.

Wim
Hi Wim,

I've asked a copy of his "persoonskaart" at CBG (Centrum voor familiegeschiedenis). It will take some weeks, but then we'll now for sure.

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