Serbian State Guard emblem?

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Serbian State Guard emblem?

Post by marko671 » 01 Dec 2019 21:25

I have been searching for quite a while now and had no luck finding any Serbian State Guard emblems/logos/flags, unlike the Serbian Volunteer Corps where a St. George cross was used. Does anyone have information regarding this unit and its emblem?


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Re: Serbian State Guard emblem?

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Re: Serbian State Guard emblem?

Post by Srbac » 30 Nov 2022 05:12

Hello, yes.. There was a flag and sleeve shield emblem for Serbian State Guard, not only that.. they also used badges that included Edelweiss symbols on them..

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Re: Serbian State Guard emblem?

Post by Srbac » 30 Nov 2022 05:24

Srbac wrote:
30 Nov 2022 05:12
Hello, yes.. There was a flag and sleeve shield emblem for Serbian State Guard, not only that.. they also used badges that included Edelweiss symbols on them..
https://prnt.sc/HJnX_IeiRQ67

Above here is the badges they worn.

https://prnt.sc/DG4xH8SANSvy

Above here is the sleeve shield they’ve worn.

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Re: Serbian State Guard emblem?

Post by Srbac » 30 Nov 2022 05:26

Srbac wrote:
30 Nov 2022 05:24
Srbac wrote:
30 Nov 2022 05:12
Hello, yes.. There was a flag and sleeve shield emblem for Serbian State Guard, not only that.. they also used badges that included Edelweiss symbols on them..
https://prnt.sc/HJnX_IeiRQ67

Above here is the badges they worn.

https://prnt.sc/DG4xH8SANSvy

Above here is the sleeve shield they’ve worn.
And, the last thing I forgot i’m sincerely sorry is this

https://prnt.sc/nAVF5HYQXKGm

Above here is the flag of the Serbian State Guard.

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Re: Serbian State Guard emblem?

Post by Ivan Ž. » 03 Dec 2022 02:04

Hello, Srbac

You are confusing different formations with the Serbian State Guard (Srpska državna straža), which was a gendarmerie.
Srbac wrote:
30 Nov 2022 05:12
they also used badges that included Edelweiss symbols on them..
Those badges were worn by the Serbian Border Guard (Srpska granična straža).
Srbac wrote:
30 Nov 2022 05:24
https://prnt.sc/DG4xH8SANSvy
Above here is the sleeve shield they’ve worn.
Those sleeve shields were worn by the Serbian Guard (Srpska garda), a small honour formation, equivalent of the royal guard.

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Re: Serbian State Guard emblem?

Post by Srbac » 09 Dec 2022 01:06

Ivan Ž. wrote:
03 Dec 2022 02:04
Hello, Srbac

You are confusing different formations with the Serbian State Guard (Srpska državna straža), which was a gendarmerie.
Srbac wrote:
30 Nov 2022 05:12
they also used badges that included Edelweiss symbols on them..
Those badges were worn by the Serbian Border Guard (Srpska granična straža).
Srbac wrote:
30 Nov 2022 05:24
https://prnt.sc/DG4xH8SANSvy
Above here is the sleeve shield they’ve worn.
Those sleeve shields were worn by the Serbian Guard (Srpska garda), a small honour formation, equivalent of the royal guard.

Cheers,
Ivan
Serbian Guard? Wasnt like Dragi Jovanović the commander of that since he was also seen wearing that shield on his uniform, cheers :milwink: :milsmile:

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Re: Serbian State Guard emblem?

Post by Ivan Ž. » 09 Dec 2022 01:21

Hello, Srbac

The state security chief Jovanović was indeed pictured in some photos wearing an eagle on his sleeve, but a different one. Always pay attention to detail when making observations. The Serbian Guard was commanded by Captain Lazar Ristić and was subordinated to Prime Minister Nedić. For more info on this unit and other Serbian collaborationist forces, see, for example, Vojska Nedićeve Srbije 1941-1945 by B. Dimitrijević.

There are also images of foremen of the National Labour Service (Serbian equivalent of the Reich Labour Service) wearing sleeve eagles - on a training course in Germany (I haven't seen them uniformed like that in their home country though, so I don't know whether that became their standard uniform at some point or if it was for special occasions only; there aren't too many photos of them available today). The eagles were different than those worn by the Serbian Guard. See, for example, the Kolo magazine, 11.03.1944, pp. 6-7.

Cheers,
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Re: Serbian State Guard emblem?

Post by Srbac » 10 Dec 2022 05:47

Ivan Ž. wrote:
09 Dec 2022 01:21
Hello, Srbac

The state security chief Jovanović was indeed pictured in some photos wearing an eagle on his sleeve, but a different one. Always pay attention to detail when making observations. The Serbian Guard was commanded by Captain Lazar Ristić and was subordinated to Prime Minister Nedić. For more info on this unit and other Serbian collaborationist forces, see, for example, Vojska Nedićeve Srbije 1941-1945 by B. Dimitrijević.

There are also images of foremen of the National Labour Service (Serbian equivalent of the Reich Labour Service) wearing sleeve eagles - on a training course in Germany (I haven't seen them uniformed like that in their home country though, so I don't know whether that became their standard uniform at some point or if it was for special occasions only; there aren't too many photos of them available today). The eagles were different than those worn by the Serbian Guard. See, for example, the Kolo magazine, 11.03.1944, pp. 6-7.

Cheers,
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So interesting, you have the pic of Serb Labour with eagle sleeves and Serb Guard pictures? Thank you.

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Re: Serbian State Guard emblem?

Post by Srbac » 23 Dec 2022 19:08

Ivan Ž. wrote:
09 Dec 2022 01:21
Hello, Srbac

The state security chief Jovanović was indeed pictured in some photos wearing an eagle on his sleeve, but a different one. Always pay attention to detail when making observations. The Serbian Guard was commanded by Captain Lazar Ristić and was subordinated to Prime Minister Nedić. For more info on this unit and other Serbian collaborationist forces, see, for example, Vojska Nedićeve Srbije 1941-1945 by B. Dimitrijević.

There are also images of foremen of the National Labour Service (Serbian equivalent of the Reich Labour Service) wearing sleeve eagles - on a training course in Germany (I haven't seen them uniformed like that in their home country though, so I don't know whether that became their standard uniform at some point or if it was for special occasions only; there aren't too many photos of them available today). The eagles were different than those worn by the Serbian Guard. See, for example, the Kolo magazine, 11.03.1944, pp. 6-7.

Cheers,
Ivan
Do you have full pictures of Jovanovic's sleeve shield he worn? And also the picture of a shield of Serbian guard and serbian labour reich photos? Send them please, thank you.

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Re: Serbian State Guard emblem?

Post by Ivan Ž. » 24 Dec 2022 21:14

You've already posted the sleeve eagle of the Serbian Guard yourself (by mistake though), but I'll re-post it for clarity sake.

Tu summarise: The only Serbian collaboration unit known to have worn the sleeve eagles was a small honour formation called Serbian Guard (Srpska garda), which was the equivalent of the Royal Guard. Their sleeve eagle had a royal crown on the top (reminder: it's quite interesting that the Germans tolerated the use of the Serbian crown, even though it symbolised loyalty to an Allied-oriented and London-based king).

srpska-garda.jpg

There is one series of photos showing foremen of the Serbian Labour Service on a training course in Germany, 1944, with some of them wearing sleeve eagles, in a shovel-shaped shield (the shovel-idea was copied from the German Labour Service). It is unclear whether the insignia was actually official or just a one-time thing, made for that particular occasion. There are no other known photo sessions showing this organisation's foremen or obligees with such an insignia (but then again, their images are a bit scarce).

nacionalna-sluzba-rada-1944.jpg

There is also one series of photos (13 June 1943) showing the state security chief Dragi Jovanović with what appears to be a custom-made sleeve shield, with an eagle without a royal crown. I can't recall seeing him wear such an insignia in any other photos though.

dragi-jovanovic-1943.jpg

As you can see, all three examples show different insignia, none of which was worn by the Serbian State Guard (and thus all are off-topic here).

Cheers,
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Re: Serbian State Guard emblem?

Post by Srbac » 25 Dec 2022 08:33

Ivan Ž. wrote:
24 Dec 2022 21:14
You've already posted the sleeve eagle of the Serbian Guard yourself (by mistake though), but I'll re-post it for clarity sake.

Tu summarise: The only Serbian collaboration unit known to have worn the sleeve eagles was a small honour formation called Serbian Guard (Srpska garda), which was the equivalent of the Royal Guard. Their sleeve eagle had a royal crown on the top (reminder: it's quite interesting that the Germans tolerated the use of the Serbian crown, even though it symbolised loyalty to an Allied-oriented and London-based king).


srpska-garda.jpg


There is one series of photos showing foremen of the Serbian Labour Service on a training course in Germany, 1944, with some of them wearing sleeve eagles, in a shovel-shaped shield (the shovel-idea was copied from the German Labour Service). It is unclear whether the insignia was actually official or just a one-time thing, made for that particular occasion. There are no other known photo sessions showing this organisation's foremen or obligees with such an insignia (but then again, their images are a bit scarce).


nacionalna-sluzba-rada-1944.jpg


There is also one series of photos (13 June 1943) showing the state security chief Dragi Jovanović with what appears to be a custom-made sleeve shield, with an eagle without a royal crown. I can't recall seeing him wear such an insignia in any other photos though.


dragi-jovanovic-1943.jpg


As you can see, all three examples show different insignia, none of which was worn by the Serbian State Guard (and thus all are off-topic here).

Cheers,
Ivan
Hey man, thank you.. I have few ppl who can make replica out of this which may help in the future.

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Re: Serbian State Guard emblem?

Post by Srbac » 25 Dec 2022 08:39

Ivan Ž. wrote:
24 Dec 2022 21:14
You've already posted the sleeve eagle of the Serbian Guard yourself (by mistake though), but I'll re-post it for clarity sake.

Tu summarise: The only Serbian collaboration unit known to have worn the sleeve eagles was a small honour formation called Serbian Guard (Srpska garda), which was the equivalent of the Royal Guard. Their sleeve eagle had a royal crown on the top (reminder: it's quite interesting that the Germans tolerated the use of the Serbian crown, even though it symbolised loyalty to an Allied-oriented and London-based king).


srpska-garda.jpg


There is one series of photos showing foremen of the Serbian Labour Service on a training course in Germany, 1944, with some of them wearing sleeve eagles, in a shovel-shaped shield (the shovel-idea was copied from the German Labour Service). It is unclear whether the insignia was actually official or just a one-time thing, made for that particular occasion. There are no other known photo sessions showing this organisation's foremen or obligees with such an insignia (but then again, their images are a bit scarce).


nacionalna-sluzba-rada-1944.jpg


There is also one series of photos (13 June 1943) showing the state security chief Dragi Jovanović with what appears to be a custom-made sleeve shield, with an eagle without a royal crown. I can't recall seeing him wear such an insignia in any other photos though.


dragi-jovanovic-1943.jpg


As you can see, all three examples show different insignia, none of which was worn by the Serbian State Guard (and thus all are off-topic here).

Cheers,
Ivan
Once again thank you, it makes sense so much now.

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Re: Serbian State Guard emblem?

Post by Ivan Ž. » 26 Dec 2022 02:56

You're welcome.
Ivan Ž. wrote:
24 Dec 2022 21:14
There is also one series of photos (13 June 1943) showing the state security chief Dragi Jovanović with what appears to be a custom-made sleeve shield, with an eagle without a royal crown. I can't recall seeing him wear such an insignia in any other photos though.
Addendum: He was also pictured wearing the same type of uniform, with a sleeve eagle, on the 22 June 1944 parade. In some earlier parade images, more precisely from 24 May 1942, Jovanović was pictured wearing the same type of uniform - but without a sleeve eagle. So he obviously added the insignia at some point, and kept it. But he was more often pictured wearing civilian clothes.

To get back on topic, here's a clear image of the Serbian State Guard (SDS) flag, from a photo album accompanying the war diary of BdO Serbien, 1941-1944. The flag was gifted to the SDS by Prime Minister Nedić in 1942, with the following dedication: "To the Belgrade police, for the salvation of the Serbian people." As can be seen, there is no royal crown above the eagle.

sds-zastava.jpg

The same demonarchised eagle was also used on covers of their official magazine (The Serbian State Guard Courier):

sds-glasnik.jpg

But note that the SDS cap badges did include a royal crown above the eagle.

The majority of the Serbian collaboration forces remained openly loyal to their king, who was a German enemy, and the Germans tolerated it. Their deeds, however, weren't exactly in coordination with the king's policies. It was a unique and quite confusing situation.

Cheers,
Ivan
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Re: Serbian State Guard emblem?

Post by Srbac » 26 Dec 2022 04:31

Ivan Ž. wrote:
26 Dec 2022 02:56
You're welcome.
Ivan Ž. wrote:
24 Dec 2022 21:14
There is also one series of photos (13 June 1943) showing the state security chief Dragi Jovanović with what appears to be a custom-made sleeve shield, with an eagle without a royal crown. I can't recall seeing him wear such an insignia in any other photos though.
Addendum: He was also pictured wearing the same type of uniform, with a sleeve eagle, on the 22 June 1944 parade. In some earlier parade images, more precisely from 24 May 1942, Jovanović was pictured wearing the same type of uniform - but without a sleeve eagle. So he obviously added the insignia at some point, and kept it. But he was more often pictured wearing civilian clothes.

To get back on topic, here's a clear image of the Serbian State Guard (SDS) flag, from a photo album accompanying the war diary of BdO Serbien, 1941-1944. The flag was gifted to the SDS by Prime Minister Nedić in 1942, with the following dedication: "To the Belgrade police, for the salvation of the Serbian people." As can be seen, there is no royal crown above the eagle.


sds-zastava.jpg


The same demonarchised eagle was also used on covers of their official magazine (The Serbian State Guard Courier):


sds-glasnik.jpg


But note that the SDS cap badges did include a royal crown above the eagle.

The majority of the Serbian collaboration forces remained openly loyal to their king, who was a German enemy, and the Germans tolerated it. Their deeds, however, weren't exactly in coordination with the king's policies. It was a unique and quite confusing situation.

Cheers,
Ivan
Looks so interesting, even tho Serbian State Guard was never commanded or taken over by any Germans like most Auxillary/Gendamerie formations were at that time, it's still interesting they were that loyal not to not put it.

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