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Post by DrG » 19 Jan 2004 22:04

Kocjo wrote:Another info, that I found:
Landschutz-Alpini-Rgt. "Tagliomento" (20.1.'45):
- I. Alpini-Btl (Tolmein)
- II. Alpini-Btl. (Montespino)
Again the spelling is wrong: Tagliamento.
The Italian name of Tolmein is Tolmino, certainly they didn't use the German name.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 19 Jan 2004 22:24

DrG wrote:
Kocjo wrote:Another info, that I found:
Landschutz-Alpini-Rgt. "Tagliomento" (20.1.'45):
- I. Alpini-Btl (Tolmein)
- II. Alpini-Btl. (Montespino)
Again the spelling is wrong: Tagliamento.
The Italian name of Tolmein is Tolmino, certainly they didn't use the German name.
Sorry for that!

I was just retyping from German document and there is no (visible) difference between second a and last o.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 19 Jan 2004 22:28

DrG wrote:
Kocjo wrote:Provinz Laibach was never under OZAK, but under Rösener.
This is new for me. As shown in that map, and in other maps I've seen, Lubiana/Ljubljana/Laibach was in the OZAK. I'm quite confused. :?
I have a copy of HSSPF OZAK's scheme and there is no Laibach Provinz there.

Rösener's Führungsstab für Bandenbekämpfung was stationed in Laibach (Ljubljana - my town :wink: ) and several others German Police/SD offices under Rösener.

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Post by DrG » 19 Jan 2004 23:18

Kocjo wrote:I have a copy of HSSPF OZAK's scheme and there is no Laibach Provinz there.

Rösener's Führungsstab für Bandenbekämpfung was stationed in Laibach (Ljubljana - my town :wink: ) and several others German Police/SD offices under Rösener.
I'm not an expert of German military organization, but I think you are talking about a military administration, while the OZAK, under the govern of Friedrich Rainer, was a civil administration. I've searched info in internet, and everywhere Laibach is listed as in the OZAK.
There were 2 HSSPF in the same Operationszone: Globocnik in the provinces of Trieste, Gorizia, Pola and Fiume, and Rösener in Laibach, but the civil administration was the same in all the provinces and was under Rainer, Gauleiter of Kärnten and Obersten Kommissar of the OZAK.
In the pre-WW2 Italian provinces there were also Italian prefects of the RSI, while in Laibach the sovereignity of the RSI was only nominal.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 20 Jan 2004 08:03

Yes, I was refering to military organization of that area - under HSSPF OZAK there was no Laibach; but it was under (Political) Commisar also resonsable for OZAK (Rainer).

RAINER, Dr. jur. Friedrich ("Friedl")
(1903 - 1947)
Gauleiter und Reichsstatthalter / SS-Obergruppenführer / Chef der Zivilverwaltung / M.d.R.:
Born: 28. 07. 1903 in St. Veit an der Glan / Kärnten
Executed (?): 19. 07. 1947 in Yugoslavia
NSDAP-Nr.: 301 860 (Joined 10.10.1930)
SS-Nr.: 292 774 (Joined 1934)
SS Promotions:
SS-OGruf.: 21.06.43; SS-Gruf.: 9.11.40;
Assignments:
Obersten Kommissar in der Operationszone "Adriatisches Küstenland" (encompassing provinces of Udine, Görz [It.: Gorizia], Laibach [Ljubljana], Fiume, and Pola): 10.09.1943 - 8.05.1945.
Reichverteidigungskommissar in Kärnten: 11.12.1941 - 8.05.1945
Chef der Zivilverwaltung in den besetzten Gebieten Kärnten und Krain: 18. Nov. 1941 - 8. May 1945
Gauleiter des Gaues Kärnten (Seat: Klagenfurt): 18.11.1941 - 8.05.1945

Reichsstatthalter Salzburg: 15. Mar. 1940 - 17. Nov. 1941.
Reichsverteidigungskommissar für den Wehrkreis XVIII: 1.09.1939 - 17.11.1941
Gauleiter des Gaues Salzburg (Seat: Salzburg): 22.05.1938 - 17.11.1941
Mitglied des Reichstages: 1938 - 8.05.1945
Landeshauptmann in Salzburg: 24.05.1938 -
Joined NSDAP: 10.10.1930; Co-founder of NSDAP Ortsgruppe in St. Veit.
Joined SA in St. Veit: 1923.
Postwar Prosecution:
Notes:
Married, 1926. 8 children.
Decorations & Awards:
KVK I ohne Schw.
KVK II. ohne Schw.
Goldenes Parteiabzeichen
Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13. März 1938
Ehrendegen des RF SS / Totenkopfring der SS
http://www.geocities.com/~orion47/NSDAP ... r_R-Z.html

Rainer held these positions at the same time:
a) Obersten Kommissar i.d. OZAK (Provinzen: Udine, Görz, Laibach, Fiume, Pola): 10.09.1943 - 8.05.1945.
b) Reichverteidigungskommissar in Kärnten: 11.12.1941 - 8.05.1945
c) Chef der Zivilverwaltung in den besetzten Gebieten Kärnten und Krain: 18. Nov. 1941 - 8. May 1945
d) Gauleiter des Gaues Kärnten (Seat: Klagenfurt): 18.11.1941 - 8.05.1945

He was covering all the teritorry of Slovenia, except of Prekmurje region.

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Post by DrG » 20 Jan 2004 13:08

Thank you Kocjo, as usual detailed and excellent info! :) :) :)

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Post by Stefano » 22 Jan 2004 13:39

PS Kocjo, do you know what is the meaning of those borders within the OZAK? It looks like it was divided into 3 "provinces": Udine + Gorizia, Trieste + Pola + pre-1941 Fiume, Lubiana + annexed in 1941 Fiume.[/quote]

The borders inside the OZAK separate the territories under the responsibilities of different Militaer-Kommandanturen: 1001 for the Trieste, Pola and Fiume provinces, 1002 for the Udine and Gorizia provinces, Laibach had a structure on its own (as already discussed below).
I am preparing a book on the military structure and operations in the OZAK which will come out in the course of the year where this is further discussed (in Italian only unfortunately).
Stefano

PS: the map is taken from my website (it is an original map with the addition of names): http://www.panzer-ozak.it
If you take things from other people's website you should at least give credit.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 22 Jan 2004 13:48

Stefano wrote:PS Kocjo, do you know what is the meaning of those borders within the OZAK? It looks like it was divided into 3 "provinces": Udine + Gorizia, Trieste + Pola + pre-1941 Fiume, Lubiana + annexed in 1941 Fiume.
Don't know that. :cry: :x

So far I read every book on OZAK or related to OZAK and there was nothing about this.
Stefano wrote:I am preparing a book on the military structure and operations in the OZAK which will come out in the course of the year where this is further discussed (in Italian only unfortunately).
What about the rest of the world? We non-Italians can't read your great books (I "recognize" some words - that's it). :oops: :x :wink: :lol:

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Post by DrG » 22 Jan 2004 15:07

Stefano wrote:The borders inside the OZAK separate the territories under the responsibilities of different Militaer-Kommandanturen: 1001 for the Trieste, Pola and Fiume provinces, 1002 for the Udine and Gorizia provinces, Laibach had a structure on its own (as already discussed below).
Thank you for the info. :)
If you take things from other people's website you should at least give credit.
I'm sorry, I've forgotten it, also because I had already written about your site and book in another post in this thread.

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Post by Stefano » 22 Jan 2004 15:20

Hi Kocjo
in my message above the first paragraph is actually a quote from somebody else's message further up (I got messed up with the sistem for the quotation), not my question; in fact the second sentence is the explanation of the borders in the map. I hope it is clear now.

Sorry but for the moment the book is only foreseen in Italian.

Stefano

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 24 Jan 2004 00:11

Stefano, have you read Ferenc's "La polizia tedesca nella Zona d'Operazioni "Litorale Adriatico"?

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Post by Stefano » 24 Jan 2004 18:45

Yes I do, it is a long essay published in the journal of the Istituto Friulano per la Storia del Movimento di Liberazione (Udine): Storia Contemporanea in Friuli, nr. 10, 1979
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Post by K.Kocjancic » 25 Jan 2004 01:26

OK, thanks!

I found where to look for original (Slovene) article from 1976/77; I'll have it next week.

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Post by Michi » 25 Jan 2004 21:37

There were 3 different units with the name „Tagliamento“


1. Sturm-Legion „Tagliamento“ (FP 14596, dann 85014):
aus Bataillon M 63 „Tagliamento“ der Panzer-Division „Centauro II“ (ehem. „M“-Miliz).
September 1943: Einsatz bei der 2. Fallschirm-Jäger-Division im Raum ROM.
Oktober 1943: Polizeieinsatz gegen Banden in den ABRUZZEN, dann nach ROM.
Dezember 1943: Dem HSSPF Oberitalien-West unterstellt. Einsatz nördlich MAILAND zwischen BRESCIA und LANGENSEE.
März 1944: erhält Bezeichnung 1. Sturm-Legion.
Juni 1944: Dem HSSPF Mittelitalien unterstellt. Einsätze im Raum PESARO.
August 1944: Verlegung nach VICENZA. Einsatz im Raum GARDASEE.
April 1945: In PONTE DI LEGNO (nördlich TRIENT) aufgelöst.
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1. Sturm-Legion „Tagliamento“
Kdr.: Colonnello Merico Zuccari
I./1. StuLeg „T“ (aus Btl. M 69 (?) (FP 86057))
Kdr.: Maggiore Guiseppe Ragonese-Berna
II./1. StuLeg „T“ (aus Btl. M 63 (?) (FP 85486))
Kdr.: Maggiore Oreste Menegozzo


Gebirgs-Jäger-Regiment „Tagliamento“ (PdC 849)
aus 8. Alpini-Regiment in UDINE.
September 1943 bis November 1943: Aufstellung. Einsatz in ISTRIEN (OZAK), besonders CIVIDALE, TOLMEIN, MATALPINO und CASALE ISONZO, dann TARVIS.
August 1944/September 1944: Dem BdO beim HSSPF Adriatisches Küstenland unterstellt. Sollte als 4. Bataillon ein CCNN Btl. haben.
März 1945: Regiment hat nur mehr 2 Bataillone
I./GebJgRgt „T“ in TOLMEIN; II./GebJgRgt „T“ in SAN PIETRO AL NATSIONE/UDINE. Gesamtstärke: 1335 Mann.
Teil des italienischen republikanischen Heeres; dem HSSPF in der OZAK unterstell.
Erhielt keine deutschen Feldpostnummern.
Gebirgs-Jäger-Regiment „Tagliamento“ war auch bekannt unter den Bezeichnungen:
Friaulisches Freiwilligen-Regiment „Tagliamento“; Polizei-Freiwilligen-Regiment „Tagliamento“; und Landesschutz-Alpini-Regiment „Tagliamento“.
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Gebirgs-Jäger-Regiment „Tagliamento“
Kdr.: Colonnello Ermacora Zuliani
I.[Alpini]/GebJgRgt „T“
Kdr.: Capitano Mario Botteri, später Maggiore Grossi
II.[Alpini]/GebJgRgt „T“
Kdr.: Capitano Del Fabbro
III.[Bersaglieri]/GebJgRgt „T“
Kdr.: Tenente Cutelli


Freiwilligen-Polizei-Gebirgs-Jäger-Bataillon „Tagliamento“ (FP 80303)
November 1944/Dezember 1944: Aufstellung aus deutschstämmigen Italiener. (Südtiroler ?)
War deutsche Polizeieinheit.



MfG Michi

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 25 Jan 2004 21:54

Thanks!

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Kocjo

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