Slovene soldiers in German armed service in WW2

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Post by Octavianus » 03 Aug 2002 23:03

Ave Dan,

Yes, there was even one famous Slovene novelist in 1918 who said on one meeting something like: "We must join with Croats and Serbs to resist the Italian and German imperialism, but it is impossible to make an unique, new nation from Serbs, Croats and Slovenes since our culture, customs, language and the way of thinking are different from Croatian and Serbian ones. Our farmers and their way of thinking is much more related to the way of thinking of a Tyrol farmer, than by Croat or Serb farmer. Therefore don't force us into something what we are not."

And yes, Slovenes are very stingy when it goes for money :D :D

Yes, Slovenes produced some of the finest soldiers during WWII who certainly weren't in the disgrace of its nation, although majority of them were forced to fight for the Axis cause. Recently I also discovered that Germany's second kanzler Graf Leo von Caprivi was of Slovene origin, who made his way from a small village near Kocevje (Gottschee) to Germany, to become Germany's second kanzler, succeding Bismarck, who spoke highly about Graf Caprivi: "He's the best horse in our stable", he liked to say.

Just to fill you here with some other petty obscure details, very few people are aware of.

Gratia,

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Post by Dan » 04 Aug 2002 00:14

Thanks much

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Post by Oberst Mihael » 10 Aug 2002 16:18

8O Maybe you should write a book or at least sum up all the info in this thread and paste it on a website....hell maybe I'll do it if I have the time!

While I was reading Barbarossa by Alan Clark I stumbled upon a new piece of info; Krueger's 5th SS Mountain Corps was comprised entirely of Albanians and Slovenes.

A new piece added to the mosaic...

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Post by Octavianus » 10 Aug 2002 17:23

Ave amici,

Maybe you should write a book or at least sum up all the info in this thread and paste it on a website....hell maybe I'll do it if I have the time!


Oberst Michael, it is not easy to write a book and its sounds from the voice of yours here. The book will require a lot more research than just 33 messages on a message board, and as such will demand a lot of time and energy by the one who will writing it.
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While I was reading Barbarossa by Alan Clark I stumbled upon a new piece of info; Krueger's 5th SS Mountain Corps was comprised entirely of Albanians and Slovenes.


Don't know ehre did you get this information, but it is false. The V. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgskorps was certainly not ENTIRELY made up of only Slovenes or Albanians. The 24th Waffen-Gebirgs (Karstjäger) Division der SS, which had a contingent of Slovenes (in addition to Germans, Austrians, Italians, Croats, Ukranians, Hungarians etc..) within its ranks, was a part of that corps, and this is also the only unit I am aware of that had any Slovenes in it and was a part of this corps. As far the Albanians are concerned, their only SS unit was the 21st Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS Skanderbeg, and I don't think, although I am not sure here, this division was never a part of this corps. Anyone can help here, please? Also don't know if any SS Polizei regiments that were serving in Istria and Slovenia as well as the SS-Waraeger were placed under the command of this corps or not.

As far as the website about Slovenia si concerned ... My friend was engaged in making a detailed site about Slovenia in World War II, including some rare chapters of Slovenia's forgotten history such as Slovenes in the French Foreign Legion 1930-1945, Slovene contribution in the Royal Hungarian/Italian/German Army 1941-1945, Slovenian contingent in the SS-Karstjäger and many more.... Of course, this was when we spoke for the last time some four months ago. The reason for the delay is also that he is webmastering another superb WWII website which takes him a lot of his free time.

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Post by Octavianus » 10 Aug 2002 17:29

HEEEY, I got promoted from New Member to Junior Member aka Buntaicho :D Did notice that until now. And I even got a medal of ???. What a wonderful forum! What do I have to do to become a Ritterkreuzträger? :D :D :D :D :D

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Post by Oberst Mihael » 10 Aug 2002 17:30

Hic Rhodus hic salta as the Romans said. :D So I jumped at the chance and it was wrong. Mea culpa. Give your friend a nudge, I'd love to see this web site. 8O

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Post by Octavianus » 12 Aug 2002 13:45

Ave Oberst Michael,

So I jumped at the chance and it was wrong. Mea culpa.


Oh, it depends... If you read that in a book, that the mistake was done by Mr Clark and by you.:D

Give your friend a nudge, I'd love to see this web site


HeHe, well, I could use some "unsual orthodox methods", but right now I think he's very busy, so we will simply have to be patient.

Besides that you yourselve can e-mail him via his website.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 21 Apr 2003 12:54

For Slovene members of W-SS, see
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=20343.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 23 Apr 2003 05:50

Octavianus said:
I know a case of at least one Slovene SS-Mann who allegedly fought in the Battle of Berlin in May 1945.


Which one?

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 23 Apr 2003 06:06

Quote:
On the other side I bet you're either a student of history or a proffesor.


You are close...


Are you researcher in archive, museum or institut?

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Post by Octavianus » 24 Apr 2003 10:27

Ave Kocjo,

Are you researcher in archive, museum or institut?


No, Kocjo, nothing like that I am afraid, but I used to study history in Vienna, but then drop off and switched to economics. Back then it was not simple as it is today...:)

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 11 Aug 2003 13:08

A good source for finding out about Slovenian members in German armed forces, would be: "Društvo mobiliziranih Slovencev v nemško vojsko 1941-1945"; they even published 3 books with some stories about their military time.

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Post by Octavianus » 11 Aug 2003 19:35

Ave Kocjo,
A good source for finding out about Slovenian members in German armed forces, would be: "Društvo mobiliziranih Slovencev v nemško vojsko 1941-1945"; they even published 3 books with some stories about their military time.
I have read the 500 page long "Drustvo mobilisiranih Slovencev v nemsko vojsko 1941-1945" about about eight months ago and found it extremly good, although I was hoping to find some more personal testimonials of Slovene servicemen. Have not heard for other two books though. can you share with us their titles so that I might try to look for a bookstore in Ljubljana the next time I will come to Slovenia?

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 11 Aug 2003 22:27

Octavianus wrote:Ave Kocjo,
A good source for finding out about Slovenian members in German armed forces, would be: "Društvo mobiliziranih Slovencev v nemško vojsko 1941-1945"; they even published 3 books with some stories about their military time.
I have read the 500 page long "Drustvo mobilisiranih Slovencev v nemsko vojsko 1941-1945" about about eight months ago and found it extremly good, although I was hoping to find some more personal testimonials of Slovene servicemen. Have not heard for other two books though. can you share with us their titles so that I might try to look for a bookstore in Ljubljana the next time I will come to Slovenia?

Gratiam,

Octavianus
These 3 other books are "zbornik iz posveta", from two or 3 diferent "posvet"/meetings.

1.) Nemška mobilizacija Slovencev v 2. svetovni
vojni : 1942 ------- 1945 : zbornik posveta o nemški mobilizaciji Slovencev v 2. svetovni vojni, Maribor, 14. maja 1992

2.) Zbornik referatov: Društvo mobiliziranih Slovencev v
nemško vojsko 1941-1945, Maribor : Muzej narodne osvoboditve, 1996

3.) 3. posvet o nemški mobilizaciji Slovencev v 2.
svetovni vojni, četrtek, dne 19. septembra 1996 ob 9. uri v Mariboru v
dvorani IZUM, Prešernova 17 : program posveta s povzetki referatov



You should also try to find:
Bilten društva mobiliziranih Slovencev v nemško vojsko 1941-1945 Celje

If you are trying to find some of this books in Slovenian libraries (or just more info on them), try:
http://cobiss.izum.si/

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Post by Octavianus » 12 Aug 2003 15:52

Ave Kocjo,
You should also try to find: Bilten društva mobiliziranih Slovencev v nemško vojsko 1941-1945 Celje If you are trying to find some of this books in Slovenian libraries (or just more info on them), try:
http://cobiss.izum.si/
I sure am grateful to you for writing me down the titles of these interesting sources, but I am afraid I don't have access to the Slovene libraries. What I had in mind is if any of these books is today still available in the bookstores, where I could purchase them or have a look at them.

Gratiam,

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