lithuanian waffen ss

AAA · Post by **AAA** » 09 Jul 2004 19:26

Yeah, cool, its good. Missed that link the first time

Thanks.
A.

Lit. · Post by **Lit.** » 09 Jul 2004 19:49

Ludzu! (You are welcome!)

Here is another interesting link (Adobe Acrobat file) to an essay about "worthless Lithuanian" - captain Jonas Noreika:

http://www.silviafoti.com/pdf/portfolio_grandfather.pdf

Lit. · Post by **Lit.** » 10 Jul 2004 11:40

Another one "worthless Lithuanian" - major Jonas Semaska about "Stalingrad Pocket":

“The Great Russian brake-through in the Stalingrad front was achieved by unimaginable cruelty. From all the prisons and GULAG camps of Russia prisoners (so called “Shtraffnicks” that were sentenced for long terms [mainly for criminal charges – Lit.] were released. They were armed only with bayonets and shovels. Only few of them get the rifles with only little ammo. Some were attacking without a single weapon… With their bodies they covered way to others that followed after them. And they have no chances to disobey this orders because in the back were special trained and well-armed killers of NKVD. They were shooting to everyone that was trying to retreat or escape from the battlefield. So the huge crowd of drunken and faceless human beings went straight to their death.”

“I saw those “shtraffnicks” pretty close…” “Is it possible to imagine for someone that never be able to see it, the dark avalanche of people (without the shape and the edge and the end) drawing from the east. We were forced not to fight but to kill, namely to destroy convicts, that were marching to the death, knowing that they couldn’t to stop or step back…. I was talking with POW’s after the battle. The only pledge of them was: 'Do with us whatever you want, shot immediately, but in any case do not send us back to Bolsheviks. '"

(From the book "Priesaika : Jonas Semaska-Liepa ir bendrazygiai". By Janina Semaskaite. - Vilnius; issued by "Lietuvos gyventoju genocido ir rezistencijos tyrimo centras", 2000 (publisher: "Spindulys", Kaunas). - 405 pages, [3] p., [12] iliustr. lap. - ("Genocidas ir rezistencija"). - Tirazas [1000] egz. - ISBN 9986-757-40-1 (ir.) : [10 Lt]", [Lithuanian language only - Lit.])

Picture from this book:

Lit. · Post by **Lit.** » 30 Jul 2004 10:32

For Germans wasn't the hard task to enter already free Lithuania.

Kurt_Steiner · Post by **Kurt_Steiner** » 07 Aug 2004 17:35

Catholic Faith is only one of the main reasons, why Lithuanians were not willing to collaborate with the new "liberators"- Germany. Having ones of the most reliable soldiers in Europe, having their own huge "accounts" on Russia and Bolshevism, Lithuania remain the worst collaborators in whole Europe towards their new "liberators".
One of the other main reasons - was the mentality of the Lithuanian nation. If you look back at our latest history (at least from the times when our younger neighbors - Slavic tribes appeared), you’ll see that Lithuanians are always better prefer to rule their own country and fight for their own freedom than to be ruled by others and fight for some other's stupid reasons.

Lithuania's relationship with Germany was different from those of Estonia and Latvia, neither of which shared a frontier with Germany.

Lithuania had an inter-war dispute with Germany over the port of Memel/Klaipeda. In the mid 1930s the Lithuanians had arrested numerous Memel Nazis, confiscated hundreds of firearms and refused to let them organise. In 1938 the last Memel Nazis were released and in March 1939 Germany seized Memel. Thus there was an immediate history of friction between Germany and Lithuania.

Furthermore, whereas the Estonians and Latvians were mostly Protestants who had been converted in centuries past by Germans, the Lithuanians were mostly still Catholics like most Poles, with whom they had shared a joint state in centuries past. In addition, the Estonians were related to Germany's Finnish and Hungarian allies. Thus Himmler, whose SS administered the Baltic States, considered the Lithuanians to be the least reliable of the Baltic peoples and he therefore made least use of them for the Wafen-SS.

Best regards

Lietuvis · Post by **Lietuvis** » 29 Sep 2005 18:50

Germans in Ukmerge(Lithuania)

Lietuvis · Post by **Lietuvis** » 29 Sep 2005 18:55

Lithuanian volunteers

Andreas · Post by **Andreas** » 29 Sep 2005 20:28

Lietuvis

Please source your pictures.

Thank you.

Andreas

Askold · Post by **Askold** » 29 Sep 2005 20:57

I am wondering why there was such a rift in German Lithuanian relations? Originally the German Lithuanian relations were very good. While Germans had huge claims to Latvian and Estonain lands, they actually supported the Lithuanian state. At some point, Kaiser's relative even became the king of Lithuanian (Gedyminas II). The other states, actually suffered very badly from the war gangs organized by Baltic-Germans who were reluctant to hand over their possessions to the Latvina and Estonian pesants.

Lietuvis · Post by **Lietuvis** » 30 Sep 2005 23:11

http://www.feldgrau.com/lith.html
sorry,but found only one,may be latter i will find and another one

Lit. · Post by **Lit.** » 20 Jul 2007 07:59

Lithuanian Gustavas Kyzelis from Dievogala, Lithuania:

"Four flags over Kiesel" By DAVID MOORE - "The Arab Tribune"

Monday, July 16, 2007 11:31 AM CDT

http://www.thearabtribune.com/articles/ ... /news1.txt

easy-v · Post by **easy-v** » 09 Jul 2008 05:14

Reichskriegsgericht wrote:
Lit. wrote: I better suggest to read such historians as Petras Stankeras and Arunas Bubnys together with “A History of the Lithuanian Military Forces in World War II 1939-1945” by Henry L. Gaidis. Lithuanian Research and Studies Center, Inc., Vydunas Fund, Inc. - Chicago, Illinois, 1998 m., 300 pages.
Any website were I can buy this book? I suppose the Stankeras/Bubnys book is not available in English or German?

Hans Werner Neulen's standard work in German language lists no lithuanian Waffen-SS units (Neulen, An deutscher Seite, Internationale Freiwillige von Wehrmacht und Waffen-SS, Universitas Verlag, 1992.

The chapter on Lithuania is app. 5-6 pages only, but he mentions the fact that the Lithuanians managed to liberate large parts of their country without German help. He says app. 100.000 Lithuanians joined the liberation forces, 4000 were killed, 8000 were wounded.

He also writes about the stupidity of the German civil government which managed to turn down potential allies, who were willing to fight with the Germans, provided that they were fighting for a free Lithuania, not a german governed state.

Robert Stuhr

Looks like if you email them, you may still be able to buy the book. See
http://www.lithuanianresearch.org/eng/l ... s.htm#ltsc

Yuri · Post by **Yuri** » 06 Nov 2023 01:11

Lit. wrote: ↑
10 Jul 2004 11:40
Another one "worthless Lithuanian" - major Jonas Semaska about "Stalingrad Pocket":

“The Great Russian brake-through in the Stalingrad front was achieved by unimaginable cruelty. From all the prisons and GULAG camps of Russia prisoners (so called “Shtraffnicks” that were sentenced for long terms [mainly for criminal charges – Lit.] were released. They were armed only with bayonets and shovels. Only few of them get the rifles with only little ammo. Some were attacking without a single weapon… With their bodies they covered way to others that followed after them. And they have no chances to disobey this orders because in the back were special trained and well-armed killers of NKVD. They were shooting to everyone that was trying to retreat or escape from the battlefield. So the huge crowd of drunken and faceless human beings went straight to their death.”

“I saw those “shtraffnicks” pretty close…” “Is it possible to imagine for someone that never be able to see it, the dark avalanche of people (without the shape and the edge and the end) drawing from the east. We were forced not to fight but to kill, namely to destroy convicts, that were marching to the death, knowing that they couldn’t to stop or step back…. I was talking with POW’s after the battle. The only pledge of them was: 'Do with us whatever you want, shot immediately, but in any case do not send us back to Bolsheviks. '"

(From the book "Priesaika : Jonas Semaska-Liepa ir bendrazygiai". By Janina Semaskaite. - Vilnius; issued by "Lietuvos gyventoju genocido ir rezistencijos tyrimo centras", 2000 (publisher: "Spindulys", Kaunas). - 405 pages, [3] p., [12] iliustr. lap. - ("Genocidas ir rezistencija"). - Tirazas [1000] egz. - ISBN 9986-757-40-1 (ir.) : [10 Lt]", [Lithuanian language only - Lit.])

Picture from this book:

After the first reading, I believed this source by 200%.
However, after reading it again, I realized that I was deeply mistaken.
This source is possible, no, it is not possible, but you need! to believe 300%.
Who will give more?

Steve · Post by **Steve** » 06 Nov 2023 20:08

There may not have been a Lithuanian SS Division but 16,000 Lithuanians served in mobile police battalions that carried out anti partisan operations and helped in the Jewish genocide. In 1944 the administrive apparatus in Lithuania consisted of 660 Germans and 20,000 Lithuanians.

Taken from -The Lands Between by Alexander V Prusin page 162.

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