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Post by -Michael » 20 Jun 2004 12:06

Does somebody know something about a badge being awarded to the men of the Charlemagne Division who fighted in Stalingrad? The badge is a circle whit 3 arrows.

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Post by Dan E. Moe » 20 Jun 2004 21:37

Charlemagne division did never fight in Stalingrad. And the badge you are mentioning sounds like the Italian SS badge.

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Post by -Michael » 21 Jun 2004 12:11

Do you have a photo?

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Post by Dan E. Moe » 28 Jun 2004 14:35

Do a forum search on Pio-Filippani Ronconi.


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Post by Kiesel » 28 Jun 2004 21:31

Pio-Filippani Ronconi
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Post by Ostuf Charlemagne » 29 Jun 2004 01:31

The Charlemagne division never fougt in Stakingrad ,as Front Kaempfer put it . Stalingrad was in 1942 and the charlemagne was formed by the autumn of 1944 . It existed the French 8th SS Sturmbrigade since 1943 (fought in July 44 in Ukrania ) and the french LVF (Heer) which was formed in August 1941 and fought at the doors of Moscu by december 1941 and after that in central Russia as antipartisan force until it was trasnfered to the Charlemagne in Spetember 1944 ...No frenchmen in Stalingrad ( but some french alsatians who were mobilized by force in the Werhmacht did surely fight in Stalingrad but as german soldiers ,in german Heer units (it was no Ss unit in Stalingrad ,neither .....) The only foreigners of the german army to be trapped in Stalingrad were the croatians of the 369 Rgt ....
The Charlemagne soldiers wore the SS runes ....and the Flak bttl which was in training in Bavaria wore a celtic cross .

As evidenced by the pic of Roncani ,the badge you refers to ,was the first model of speigeln for the italian SS unit . Indeed most italian Ss wore the SS runes or a plain spiegeln (on red background first ,and on black background after september 1944, as evidenced by many pictures .)

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Post by Panzermahn » 29 Jun 2004 04:26

The only foreigners of the german army to be trapped in Stalingrad were the croatians of the 369 Rgt ....


Hi Kameraden Ostuf Charlemagne,

There is an Italian company that were trapped in the Kessel when they went into sTALINGRAD to look for wood or fuel...

Not forgetting the Russian HIWIs who fought to the end loyally with their German comrades to avoid the fate of the Gulags..

Information comes from Antony Beevor's Stalingrad

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Post by Ostuf Charlemagne » 30 Jun 2004 02:30

Yes ,sure ,in fact whole rumanians and italians divisions were trapped in Stalingrad too.But they were not serving within the german army ,like the croatians .Italians and rumanians were serving within their own national armies .

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Post by -Michael » 01 Jul 2004 17:47

No No! that isn't the badge at all, it's simpler and the arrows point in the same direction (right above). Is there a site of some kind were I can see french badges?

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Post by Ostuf Charlemagne » 02 Jul 2004 00:25

Don't sweat ,Vlaamsche Kamerad Sturmmann .
Siegeln of the Charlemagne were mostly standard SS runes ... Some of the Flak Btl in training at Muenchen ( Flak Btl :they never made it to the Eastern Front and fought against americans in the combat for Muenchen )
received a spiegel with a celtic cross whose "legs" was inside the circle , not outside like in the today representation of the celtic cross ...
By the way I saw them . Period .

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Post by -Michael » 03 Jul 2004 12:27

The french badge looked like this dear Ostuf Charlemagne, what do you think?

http://members.lycos.nl/michaelddd/Charlemagne.bmp

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Post by Ostuf Charlemagne » 04 Jul 2004 01:12

No ,ABSOLUTELY NOT !

Told you : SS runes for the most ...

Celtic cross for the Flak btl .... ( you know the Croix Celtique ,don't you ???)

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Post by -Michael » 06 Jul 2004 09:29

Merci Ostuf Charlemagne, pour l'information.

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Post by Ostuf Charlemagne » 07 Jul 2004 00:09

De rien ,cher Camarade .

at your service if you need more infos about this fine division !

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Post by Le Page » 08 Jul 2004 05:30

Ostuf Charlemagne, you're my favorite on this forum, but when you say some of the flak battalion fought the Americans, what is your source? Do you mean those who got swept up with Nibelungen?

Maybe I've had to many Oranjebooms tonight....


"Ostuf Charlemagne"]Don't sweat ,Vlaamsche Kamerad Sturmmann .
Siegeln of the Charlemagne were mostly standard SS runes ... Some of the Flak Btl in training at Muenchen ( Flak Btl :they never made it to the Eastern Front and fought against americans in the combat for Muenchen )
received a spiegel with a celtic cross whose "legs" was inside the circle , not outside like in the today representation of the celtic cross ...
By the way I saw them . Period .[/quote]

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