Does somebody know something about a badge being awarded to the men of the Charlemagne Division who fighted in Stalingrad? The badge is a circle whit 3 arrows.
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Dan E. Moe
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The Charlemagne division never fougt in Stakingrad ,as Front Kaempfer put it . Stalingrad was in 1942 and the charlemagne was formed by the autumn of 1944 . It existed the French 8th SS Sturmbrigade since 1943 (fought in July 44 in Ukrania ) and the french LVF (Heer) which was formed in August 1941 and fought at the doors of Moscu by december 1941 and after that in central Russia as antipartisan force until it was trasnfered to the Charlemagne in Spetember 1944 ...No frenchmen in Stalingrad ( but some french alsatians who were mobilized by force in the Werhmacht did surely fight in Stalingrad but as german soldiers ,in german Heer units (it was no Ss unit in Stalingrad ,neither .....) The only foreigners of the german army to be trapped in Stalingrad were the croatians of the 369 Rgt ....
The Charlemagne soldiers wore the SS runes ....and the Flak bttl which was in training in Bavaria wore a celtic cross .
As evidenced by the pic of Roncani ,the badge you refers to ,was the first model of speigeln for the italian SS unit . Indeed most italian Ss wore the SS runes or a plain spiegeln (on red background first ,and on black background after september 1944, as evidenced by many pictures .)
The Charlemagne soldiers wore the SS runes ....and the Flak bttl which was in training in Bavaria wore a celtic cross .
As evidenced by the pic of Roncani ,the badge you refers to ,was the first model of speigeln for the italian SS unit . Indeed most italian Ss wore the SS runes or a plain spiegeln (on red background first ,and on black background after september 1944, as evidenced by many pictures .)
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Hi Kameraden Ostuf Charlemagne,The only foreigners of the german army to be trapped in Stalingrad were the croatians of the 369 Rgt ....
There is an Italian company that were trapped in the Kessel when they went into sTALINGRAD to look for wood or fuel...
Not forgetting the Russian HIWIs who fought to the end loyally with their German comrades to avoid the fate of the Gulags..
Information comes from Antony Beevor's Stalingrad
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Don't sweat ,Vlaamsche Kamerad Sturmmann .
Siegeln of the Charlemagne were mostly standard SS runes ... Some of the Flak Btl in training at Muenchen ( Flak Btl :they never made it to the Eastern Front and fought against americans in the combat for Muenchen )
received a spiegel with a celtic cross whose "legs" was inside the circle , not outside like in the today representation of the celtic cross ...
By the way I saw them . Period .
Siegeln of the Charlemagne were mostly standard SS runes ... Some of the Flak Btl in training at Muenchen ( Flak Btl :they never made it to the Eastern Front and fought against americans in the combat for Muenchen )
received a spiegel with a celtic cross whose "legs" was inside the circle , not outside like in the today representation of the celtic cross ...
By the way I saw them . Period .
The french badge looked like this dear Ostuf Charlemagne, what do you think?
http://members.lycos.nl/michaelddd/Charlemagne.bmp
http://members.lycos.nl/michaelddd/Charlemagne.bmp
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Ostuf Charlemagne, you're my favorite on this forum, but when you say some of the flak battalion fought the Americans, what is your source? Do you mean those who got swept up with Nibelungen?
Maybe I've had to many Oranjebooms tonight....
"Ostuf Charlemagne"]Don't sweat ,Vlaamsche Kamerad Sturmmann .
Siegeln of the Charlemagne were mostly standard SS runes ... Some of the Flak Btl in training at Muenchen ( Flak Btl :they never made it to the Eastern Front and fought against americans in the combat for Muenchen )
received a spiegel with a celtic cross whose "legs" was inside the circle , not outside like in the today representation of the celtic cross ...
By the way I saw them . Period .[/quote]
Maybe I've had to many Oranjebooms tonight....
"Ostuf Charlemagne"]Don't sweat ,Vlaamsche Kamerad Sturmmann .
Siegeln of the Charlemagne were mostly standard SS runes ... Some of the Flak Btl in training at Muenchen ( Flak Btl :they never made it to the Eastern Front and fought against americans in the combat for Muenchen )
received a spiegel with a celtic cross whose "legs" was inside the circle , not outside like in the today representation of the celtic cross ...
By the way I saw them . Period .[/quote]