Polish soldiers in the Wehrmacht/Waffen-SS?

[Marcus]

I saw the different color but again, please don't write anything with the quotes of others and please don't use colored text in your posts.

/Marcus

[Able]

Is my edited version more to your taste please Marcus?

[Able]

What's the colour option there for please Marcus?

[Marcus]

What's the colour option there for please Marcus?

It is available when you need to highlight a specific individual word or item, not for use in whole posts or for writing within the quotes of others.

An example of who to handle the quote feature: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 3#p1666473

/Marcus

[Able]

Thank you for that example Marcus.

How did you find my footnote method.
It seems to fit your colour use rule,
doesn't disjoint the quote very much,
and only puts a very small load on the reader.

What would be very nice of course
would be to uprate this text editor
to basic word processing techniques.
Any chance of that please?

[Marcus]

How did you find my footnote method.
It seems to fit your colour use rule,
doesn't disjoint the quote very much,
and only puts a very small load on the reader.

I found it very confusion and I could not see who wrote what part of the text.

What would be very nice of course
would be to uprate this text editor
to basic word processing techniques.
Any chance of that please?

It is something we'll keep in mind of the future.

/Marcus

[Able]

I think the man in the picture was in nazi service because it was a good life if you had the stomach for it.

I'm asking about facts, 1) not about your point of view. Why do you think that guy on this photo is Hiwi. Any docs? Details visible on photo? Anything else?

Many Polish soldiers fighting on Eastern Front 2) used German uniform and equipment from the stocks captured in early 1945. There are many photos of Polish soldiers with German belts (even with "Gott mit uns" inscription still visible) or German winter uniforms. After WWII many militia members used German uniforms and weapons.

1) I suggest that you post the picture again with your question revised to marry up with your requirements Piotr.

2) Who were they fighting for, and how many were there please Piotr?

[Able]

How did you find my footnote method.
It seems to fit your colour use rule,
doesn't disjoint the quote very much,
and only puts a very small load on the reader.

I found it very confusion 1) and I could not see who wrote what part of the text.

What would be very nice of course
would be to uprate this text editor
to basic word processing techniques.
Any chance of that please?

It is something we'll keep in mind of the future.

/Marcus

2) I'm sorry you got confused Marcus
I can see what you mean.
Somewhere in the edit process the post lost it's standard formatting didn't it?

I've done it again from scratch for you.

The method I've used it pretty basic university level so I hope you don't find it confusing again.

[Able]

I think the man in the picture was in nazi service because it was a good life if you had the stomach for it.

I'm asking about facts, not about your point of view. Why do you think that guy on this photo is Hiwi. Any docs? Details visible on photo? Anything else?

Many Polish soldiers fighting on Eastern Front used German uniform and equipment from the stocks captured in early 1945. There are many photos of Polish soldiers with German belts (even with "Gott mit uns" inscription still visible) or German winter uniforms. After WWII many militia members used German uniforms and weapons.

Do you belive what you see in a photograph Piotr?

If so, it may be that are deceived by a con trick that's as old as the camera.

Both sides used photography to fool people.
Many WW2 photographs are either altered or posed.

The famous Iwojima flag raising shots is a big propaganda scam.
There's been a flag up their for several hours before that posed one.

I've no doubt there is photographic evidence to "prove" started the War at Gleiwitz.

You aren't one of the people who believe that Photoshop is a modern invention are you?
It isn't.
Photoshops, or should that be photo shops, altered photographs long before computers were invented.

If you look at many Allied photographs, you see shots of showroom fresh jeeps with lovely white stars on them.
Dead easy.
Print of photo of some countryside.
Take a picture of a clean jeep with a shiny star on it from a suitable angle.
Cut out the picture of the jeep.
Paste it on the background.
Tart up the star so it's lovely and shiny.
Then take a photograph of the jeep pasted on the background.

I'm really sorry Piotr, but your "Hiwi" picture could be a put up jobbie to help nazi recruiting sergeants.

I'm not saying it isn't genuine, just pointing out that it may not be.

[Marcus]

Many Polish soldiers fighting on Eastern Front

Who were they fighting for, and how many were there please Piotr?

Basic info on the Polish forces fighting the Germans on the Eastern Front can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Arm ... n_the_East

/Marcus

[Able]

Many Polish soldiers fighting on Eastern Front

Who were they fighting for, and how many were there please Piotr?

Basic info on the Polish forces fighting the Germans on the Eastern Front can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Arm ... n_the_East

/Marcus

Many thanks Marcus.
Unfortunately, since Piotr didn't specify the group, the number, or who they were fighting for, I prefer not to jump to any conclusions.
So I am very interested in learning from Piotr.

Two Polish friends, now deceased so I can't ask them, were with the Russians.
I can't envisage them fighting for the Russians though.
I fancy they were more than a little miffed with the Russians in fact.

[Piotr Mikołajski]

Dear Able,

I'm not interested in your "what if" or "maybe" writings. Askold posted photo of Polish soldier from Polish Army in the East and called that it was "Hiwi". You support that claim but you can't justify your opinion. Instead of proofs for your claims you've posted a lot of offensive sentences.

Do you have any proofs for your claims or you are just trying to defame that unknown soldier?

[Able]

Dear Able,

I'm not interested in your "what if" or "maybe" writings. Askold posted photo of Polish soldier from Polish Army in the East and called that it was "Hiwi". You support that claim but you can't justify your opinion. Instead of proofs for your claims you've posted a lot of offensive sentences. 1)

Do you have any proofs for your claims or you are just trying to defame that unknown soldier?

2)

1) Please will you tell me which sentences you find offensive Piotr, and explain why you find them offensive because I write, as far as possible, as inoffensively as possible?
If for no other reason than to ensure that you do not have an excuse to make trite, unsupported attempts to defame me.
WW2 was not very nice. as most people who experienced it will tell you.

Until you produce that information, you stand accused of committing exactly the crimes you erroneously accuse me of.

2) Please will explain how and why you feel that I am trying to defame that soldier?
As far as I was concerned, I explained why I felt a Pole would volunteer to be a Hiwi.
However, it appears that Ashkold may have misled me with his title and the man in question may not have been a Hiwi.
Once I had further information I believe my sentences showed that I accepted that I was not writing about unknown man at all.
Merely about why a Pole might become a Hiwi.

Until you produce support your accusation, you stand accused of committing the crimes you erroneously accuse me of.

If you read what I wrote about the way photographs could be, and were altered, during the War for propaganda and to deceive you should realise that there is really no absolute evidence that that unkonown soldier even existed.
I intended that information to explain the doubts you raised when you explained discrepancies on his uniform.

Unless you have proof absolute that that soldier existed as one man, and that the kit he wore is his everyday uniform, any conjecture about it proving anything must remain very dubious.

The Red Army wasn't exactly noted for it's compassion or elegance.
The Red Army wasn't exactly known for it's compassion towards Poles.
Unless you wish to dispute that generally accepted opinion, you might wish to ask yourself how a Pole in the Red Army got to have his photograph taken wearing a smart, well fitting uniform.
You might also wish to ask yourself how he found a skilful photogropher, with it appears supplementary lighting.
And then found a photoshop to develop and print his picture.
Now multiply that photograph by the total number of soldiers in the Red Army, and you should begin to understand the logistical problems involved in even an officer getting his picture taken.
Please take into account that the Red Army was fighting a war of attrition with very few resources.
As far as I know, the Artic convoys did not take large questities of photgraphic materials into Russia, whilst the Russians were more interested in making weapons than taking photographs of canon fodder.

Let's assume that the Red Army pulled out all the stops to offer their Polish troops the opportunity to have their photographs taken, now ask yourself:
Do I really think he would have been in his every day uniform?
Do I think his every day uniform would have fitted as well as that?
There are lots of otehr, commonsense questions you could ask yourself too.

On the other hand, the Rad Army needed cannon fodder, and needed them desperately.
The Red Army was entirely capable of using dirty tricks and lies to persuade Poles to join them.
For instance, they convinced the World, and presumably the Polish POWs that the Nazis massacred the Polish officers and intellectuals they captured.
Compared with that deception, doctoring a photograph to convince Polish POWs that life for a Pole in the Red Army is pretty good, is pretty small beer.

I state very clearly for you Poitr, I vet what I write in order to prevent the easy accusation that I write offensive material.
If you have a different opinion, then I'm very happy to read it.
If you explain why you think what I've written is offensive, then I'm very happy to read that too.
And equally happy to retract what I've said if it is offensive by accident.

[Piotr Kapuscinski]

how a Pole in the Red Army

Polish Army in the East was not part of the Red Army.

[Piotr Mikołajski]

Please will you tell me which sentences you find offensive Piotr

Polish soldier wearing Polish uniform with clearly visible Polish insignia on unique Polish-style cap was called "Hiwi" by you. All info you've had was photo and description. You didn't bother to examine this photo, you've just wrote very offensive judgement:

I think the man in the picture was in nazi service because it was a good life if you had the stomach for it.

The money was good, the food was good, the drink was good, the camaraderie was good, there were plenty of Wehrmacht brothels where he could rape sex slaves, all the pillaging he wanted, and because he enjoyed racialist crimes.
He could enjoy all the benefits the nazi system bequeathed on its supporters.

Without any knowledge about this photo; without any knowledge about Polish uniforms; with no information about Polish Army at all and without answering my questions you've added another senseless statement:

"Hiwi" picture could be a put up jobbie to help nazi recruiting sergeants.

Your last post is made entirely from unrelated statements about photography and senseless statements about Polish Army in the East which is so enigmatic to you that you are mixing it with the Red Army.

I've read earlier posts in this thread and this is not the first time when you post senseless, not confirmed and highly questionable statements mixed with ex cathedra and ad personam statements. You've been asked many times about proofs and you've never delivered any confirmation of your statements. This kind of "disscussion" is highly offensive too and is called trolling.

I have very little tolerance for trolling so consider yourself warned. With your next "no proofs & a lot of what ifs" essay I'll be forced to ban you in my Control Panel. I'm sorry but I find your style of writing very irksome, very uncommon here on AHF.