Armenians in SS

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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 17 Feb 2005 09:32

Hi

Yes, It was encluded other Caucasian collaborants, the book is about Armenian-Georgian-Azeri and South Cauc. emigrations during WW2 and thouse relatons with Third Reich.

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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 17 Feb 2005 09:47

Hi everybody

Hire is an Armenians, -
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Post by Panzermahn » 17 Feb 2005 13:27

Armenische_Legionar wrote:Hi dear George

In this moment I published just 2 books -

1.Armenian Legion of Wehrmacht - starting booklet - Yerevan 2002, 60 pages (in Russian)
2.Relations of Caucasian Collaborations with Germany - Yerevan 2004, 220 pages (in Armenian)
3."Sonderverband Bergmann" - from Armenian side - now it's publishing in Russian but in the end of 2005, will be in English too.
4. Armenian Legion: Battle for Caucasus 1942-1943, I'm working now in this one... will be in English first.

The Best Regards,
Eduard

this is my 1-st one, the booklet

Hi Eduard,

any chances that all your works will be translated in English....? I believe if you translate your books to English, it will had a much wider market as well as the references on Armenians fighting for the Axis would be truly known among the historical enthusiast community..

By the way, Eduard, does your books had any war crimes committed by the Allies against the Armenian volunteers? I'm currently compiling infos and sources for a book on Allied war crimes which were authored by Ostuf Charlemagne and me..

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Caucasians

Post by steve248 » 17 Feb 2005 17:23

Eduard,

Have your publications anything on Armenian recruits to the "Kaukasier Kompanie" of the
SD; or. members of the Unternehmen Zeppelin parachute agents?

Steve

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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 17 Feb 2005 18:18

Panzermahn wrote:
Armenische_Legionar wrote:Hi dear George

In this moment I published just 2 books -

1.Armenian Legion of Wehrmacht - starting booklet - Yerevan 2002, 60 pages (in Russian)
2.Relations of Caucasian Collaborations with Germany - Yerevan 2004, 220 pages (in Armenian)
3."Sonderverband Bergmann" - from Armenian side - now it's publishing in Russian but in the end of 2005, will be in English too.
4. Armenian Legion: Battle for Caucasus 1942-1943, I'm working now in this one... will be in English first.

The Best Regards,
Eduard

this is my 1-st one, the booklet

Hi Eduard,

any chances that all your works will be translated in English....? I believe if you translate your books to English, it will had a much wider market as well as the references on Armenians fighting for the Axis would be truly known among the historical enthusiast community..

By the way, Eduard, does your books had any war crimes committed by the Allies against the Armenian volunteers? I'm currently compiling infos and sources for a book on Allied war crimes which were authored by Ostuf Charlemagne and me..

Hello

Thanks!
I'll translate some of my books - more specials and important.
I know some incidents after the operation "Dragoon" in Marseilles and other towns near-by a Mediterranean beach.
After an operation over 200 Armenian POW's from I/128th and II/9th Btl.s was killed by an English-men. And other more incidents against Armenian, Georgian, Turkestani ex-legioners - POWs.
If you want more - give me your e-mail, will right you as soon as possible.

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Re: Caucasians

Post by Armenische_Legionar » 18 Feb 2005 11:53

steve248 wrote:Eduard,

Have your publications anything on Armenian recruits to the "Kaukasier Kompanie" of the
SD; or. members of the Unternehmen Zeppelin parachute agents?

Steve
HI
Yeah! shure
In my "Sonderverband Bergmann" I wrote more than 15 pages about other non-legionic formations, espesially in Unternehmen Zeppelin and about some Abwehrgruppen Tamara and Dromedar.
So, about ""Kaukasier Kompanie" I have in my "Bergmann" work.

:wink:

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Post by Armenian » 24 Feb 2005 14:30

Edo jan
the Russian intro posted on http://www.mitq.org is really great!
Waiting for the book!!!
Aram

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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 02 Mar 2005 17:32

Hi Aram
Thanks for your good mind!
The book will be soon, I'll open a new post about.

Regards,
Eduard

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Post by Georgien » 18 Aug 2005 00:42

ninoo,

Bashkirs are not Caucasians :) they are Muslem nation living not far from Republic of Tatarstan and far from Caucasus. :)


Eduardjan :) Barem! Vontsez Haes?

Do you know how many Armenians were in BergKaukasien battalion? As i know Bergmann unit did not have much of armenians. Mostly there were Georgians, Germans, Azeri, North Caucasians and Armenians. But i might be wrong.
Later battalion became BergKaukasien.

Then they divided into:

NordKaukasien-Adigey, Circassian, Kabardins, Ossetians, Chechens, Ingush and Daghestani

Caucasian SS (Headed by Adigey Prince Sultan Kelech-Gireia)

Georgien: Georgians, Abkhaz and come Circassians (Headed by General Maghlakelidze, Lomtatidze)

Georgian SS (Headed by Prince Michael Tsulukidze)

Azerbaidjan: Azeri, Avar, Lezgins (Headed by Azeri immegrant and former member of Azeri government M. Israfilov)

Armenien: Armenians

Armenian SS: (Headed by former Red Army commander and briliant tactician V. Sarkisian)

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Armenians in Bergmann

Post by Armenische_Legionar » 18 Aug 2005 06:55

Barev Georgien jan! Ayo! Hay em!

So as you know I wrote a book about Bergmann sub-unit in Russian language, soon will be in English.
Armenians in Bergmann had been from 1941-1944.
During 1941-1942 there were 1 Armenian special platoon "Bergstreiger" was a part of 5th company of Bergmann. The commander of platoon was Unteroffizier S. Ohanian. However, some Armenians (20-30 men) where in 4th georgian-armenian company of "Bergmann".
Than from October of 1942, in Georgievsk DULAG started to formed an Armenian company of "Bergmann" (over 180 men). There were fought in Mozdok region than in Nalchik. in February 1943 sent to Crimea, operated in Kokkosi-Albat region against partisans. Distroyed in the end of November 1943, during the terrible battle for Perekop peninsula.

So, that's All :)
All the Best,
Eduard Abramian

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Post by Georgien » 18 Aug 2005 20:56

Dear Eduard

Thanks a lot for info. I know Russian so where can i find your book? You mentioned that British executed Armenian and Georgian volunteers. Why did they violated geneva convention? as i know the agreement was to "repatriate" them back to USSR (where they would be executed anyway). I did hear that some British executed for no reason Georgians in Holland and N France.

In Givi Gablianis Book you can find info that some Georgians and Armenians were imprizoned by Americans. Knowing that they woudl face deportation and death in USSR, americans helped these volunteers to go along with German POWs and advising them to destroy all kinds of documentation so they coudl pretend to be german.

Also did the Dashnaks fought any battle for the Germans?

Thanks a lot one smore

all the best

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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 19 Aug 2005 09:59

Georgien wrote:Dear Eduard

Thanks a lot for info. I know Russian so where can i find your book? You mentioned that British executed Armenian and Georgian volunteers. Why did they violated geneva convention? as i know the agreement was to "repatriate" them back to USSR (where they would be executed anyway). I did hear that some British executed for no reason Georgians in Holland and N France.

In Givi Gablianis Book you can find info that some Georgians and Armenians were imprizoned by Americans. Knowing that they woudl face deportation and death in USSR, americans helped these volunteers to go along with German POWs and advising them to destroy all kinds of documentation so they coudl pretend to be german.

Also did the Dashnaks fought any battle for the Germans?

Thanks a lot one smore

all the best

Hi

So, what about the war crimes of Allies, I find some materials in Armenian archives and from an old ex-legioner memories. He was in II./9 Btl. fought against the British troops.
So, what about the Dashnak, or others (Mensheviks and Musavatists): this is a part of my article - all this information by archives of KGB.

Since the middle 1920s special sabotage groups of Dashnaks, Mensheviks and Musavatists periodically under took attempts of passing the state frontier of the USSR from the territory of Turkey or Iran.
Sabotage and reconnaissance groups passed important information to those states with whom they were working at that moment and who they were being finest with.
The slogan - “to do everything”, to cooperate with all those who are interested in the discord and dissention of the Soviet country and communist system in the Transcaucasians countries” – had never changed in the course of those decades. This slogan and ideas of regeneration of free and sovereign states became ordinary for many of them who even gave out all their means for the formation and training of special groups of rebels. The main training camps and headquarters of the Mensheviks, Dashnaks and Musavatists where located in Turkey, Iran, as well as Lebanon and in some other countries of the Near East. Only since 1922-1939 more than 50 attempts had bean made by some groups of emigrants – rebels to pass onto the Soviet Transcaucasus.
Mainly this attempts ended in failure: they got bogged down in the blood of Dashnaks, Mensheviks and Musavatists’ saboteurs, scouts and propagandists.
Some groups such as “Pandukht”, “Sakartvelo”, “Momavali” and “Kavkaz”, managed to pass and join anti-Soviet underground organizations in the Transcaucasian republics (in spite of heavy battles).
One of the first numerous groups was “Pandukht” which consisted of 23 Armenian dashnaks, who tried to pass the Armenian border (which was a part of Transcaucasian Federation at that time) in the middle of October 1922 from the side of Iran .
The main task of the group “Pandukht” was to unite with the Dashnak and other anti-Soviet organizations and to form armed formations in order to raise a revolt. The armament for the groups had to be got from the secret warehouses in the mountains of Zangezur and bordering villages or Iran.
The group was led by Karo Sasuni, Hakob Ter-Hakobian, Khosrov Tutunchan and others. Later in 1923-1925 the main part of this group was liquidated. Nevertheless the communists could not fully cope with the anti-Soviet organizations.
In 1923-1939 the groups of Ashot Artzruni and Petros Marzpanian passed to the territory of Armenia from Turkey; the group of Gerasim Atachanian tried to pass the border but was liquidated together with its leader; Tevan Baghdasarian lost the major part of his group in the exchange of fire when passing the border.
The Georgian Mensheviks also made the attempts to penetrate into the territory of Georgia through Turkey. One of such groups was “Sakartvelo”, whose leaders, planning in uprising, were adherents of combined operations with the Armenian and Azerbaijan rebels.
Having provoked some riot of the territory of Georgia at the end of 1924, they suggested the Armenian underground groups operating together . The leaders of the Georgian underground groups were Vachnadze, Ramishvili, Chabriadze and others.
It’s known that Karo Sasuni met with the leaders of the Georgian anti-Soviet groups. A resolution was adopted about joined actions diversions on the territories of Armenia and Georgia, and also about carrying on anti-Soviet propaganda among the masses who had suffered greatly because of the collectivisation.
The plane of the combined revolt failed as the major part of the saboteurs was liquidated and the rest, for fear of death began to cooperate with NCHA (National Committee of Home Affairs) to disclose underground units in Georgia and Armenia.
Since 1934 “Prometey” (“Prometheus”), i. e. Warsaw, began to attend much concern to the sabotage groups, trying by all means, to get exact information about what was going on in the Transcaucasus.
The reconnaissance party “Kavkaz” was the most useful among the transported groups as in its ranks there were radio-men, demolition men and specialists who created harmful anti-Soviet attitude of mind among ordinary people. This group mainly consisted of the natives of Azerbaijan.
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Some elements of this information you can find and in my book - "Forgotten Legion"

All the Best,
Eduard Abramian
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Armenians in Bohemia

Post by Jakub Tomek » 18 Sep 2005 18:48

Hallo,

I know that some Armenian unit was located at the end of WW2 in one small village in Central Bohemia. I have collected some testimonies. I am interested to which unit could Armenians belong. If somebody would have interest I can share with information. Please, send me private message.

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Jakub

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Post by kost211 » 16 Oct 2005 20:51

I am the son of an Armenian Legionär, his name was Mamikon Safarovitch Minassian,he belonged to the 809th batallion.Of course I have studied a lot of documents concerning the 809th and 812th Armenian batallion. We have a lot of information here in Holland. But that's not the problem. A lot of children have Armenian fathers here in Holland. I was so lucky to trace my father. But for a lot of them it,s difficult. So I should want to know if there is a kind of society of veterans/ Armenian soldiers in Yerevan., who belonged to the 809th and 812th batallion?
Who can help me?[/b]

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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 17 Oct 2005 13:47

I had already sent you a PM. :)

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