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Allen Milcic
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#121

Post by Allen Milcic » 25 Jul 2005, 15:19

Ivanwss wrote:Soldiers of Šumadijska divizija and Dinarska (četnička) divizija have never surrendered.
They layed down their arms with sounds of Serbian national anthem.
Ivane:

Could you explain the difference between 'surrender' and 'laying down arms'?

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 25 Jul 2005, 15:36

Well, i've posted that gen.Damjanović's command to explain it.
("Prvi deo naše mučne, ali sjajne borbe za Kralja i Narodne ideale završen je...
...do prijema novog naoružanja...")


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Ivan


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#123

Post by Serbian boy » 28 Jul 2005, 23:39

I can't see the difference.

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#124

Post by Momo » 29 Jul 2005, 07:12

Hello everyone.

It's Momcilo Dobrich. I'll take questions if you'd like.

Momo

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#125

Post by Division » 10 Aug 2005, 03:52

In SS troups was very little number of Serbs. Most of them was in Partisani or Cetnics, and bouth that army was antifastistics.

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#126

Post by Serbian boy » 13 Aug 2005, 23:04

Serbin Volunteer Corps was not anti-fascistic,Ljotic's ideology was anti-semitic and nationalistic.For me he was one of the greatest Serbian politician in XX. century.

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#127

Post by Dan E. Moe » 14 Aug 2005, 03:51

So it is great to be anti-semitic?

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Anti-semitic

#128

Post by Hallandsen » 14 Aug 2005, 22:15

Hi
Hmm,?? Very specific opinions!! Have to ask like Dan, and hope this would not start any conflict here, Collect instead or what?
Hi from Hallandsen

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#129

Post by jarek_g » 14 Aug 2005, 23:11

Hi guys,

Srpski Dobrovoljacki Korpus / Serbisches Freiwilligen Korps 24 November 1944 included in Waffen SS only of supplies and armaments.
Corps (in shortening SDK) came into being 15 September 1941 as Srpska Dobrovoljacka Komanda / Serbisches Freiwilligen Abteilung (incl. 12 units). 20 November 1942 reformed in five batallions and change name - Srpski Dobrovoljacki Korpus. In 1944 batallions expanded in five regiments. CO - Gen. Maj. Konstantin Musicki (germ.: Muschitzki) and from 27.03.1945 - Gen. Miodrag Damjanovic. From this date SDK was part of Jugoslovian's Draza Mihajlovic Army.

Regiment 1. Serbisches SS-Korps from Regiment 1. SDK (three batallions) - CO major Ilja Micasevic (germ.: Mitzaschewitz)

Regiment 2. Serbisches SS-Korps from Regiment 2. SDK (three batallions) - CO major Marisav Petrovic

Regiment 3. Serbisches SS-Korps from Regiment 3. SDK (three batallions) - CO major Vojislav Dimitrijevic and later captain I. class Miodrag Markovic

Regiment 4. Serbisches SS-Korps from Regiment 4. SDK (three batallions) - CO major Vuk Vlahovic and later major Vojislav Dimitrijevic (from Rgt. 3)

Regiment 5. Serbisches SS-Korps from SS Regiment 5. SDK (three batallions) - CO
major Milorad Mojic and later ltn. col. Mirko Stankovic.

Artillerie Abteilung Serbisches SS-Korps from Artilerijski divizion SDK (1. Pz. Jg. Bttr., 2. Haubitzen. Bttr., 3. Geb. Kanone Bttr.) - CO major Momcilo Borcevic (germ.: Momtschilo Bortschewitz)

Ausbildungs Zentrum / Centar za Obuku (i.e. officers courses in Belgrad from begin of 1943)
CO: captain 1st class Dragos Antic' (Dragosch Antits)
from November 1944 (Slovenia) CO ltn. col. Dmitrije V. Ljotic

My sources (Hi Marcus :wink: ):
Spomena srpskih dobrovolaca 1941 - 1971 (The memoirs of serbian volunteers 1941 - 1971), ed. Bor. M. Karapanacic, Cleveland (Ohio) 1971,
Borivoje M. Karapancic, Gradjanski rat u Srbiji 1941 - 1945 (Civil war in Serbia 1941 - 1945), Belgrad 1993,
Stanislav Krakov, General Milan Nedic, t. I 1963, t. II 1968.

Bestreg.
Jarek

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#130

Post by Larry D. » 15 Aug 2005, 00:12

Hi jarek -

Marcus already has a complete history of the SDK posted on his Axis History Factbook web site:

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=90

I think sometimes we all forget to look there........

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#131

Post by Division » 15 Aug 2005, 03:07

Ok if so many Serbs are i SS korps under Germany, why they had fight against NDH and Pavelic's nazi troups. Smart German generals only use few domestic Serbs to convince them to start war against each other(civil war-cetnics against partisani).

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Post by Allen Milcic » 15 Aug 2005, 15:53

Serbian boy wrote:Serbin Volunteer Corps was not anti-fascistic,Ljotic's ideology was anti-semitic and nationalistic.For me he was one of the greatest Serbian politician in XX. century.
Could you please elaborate on your views regarding Ljotic's "greatness"?

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Post by Serbian boy » 15 Aug 2005, 22:29

88Division wrote:Ok if so many Serbs are i SS korps under Germany, why they had fight against NDH and Pavelic's nazi troups. Smart German generals only use few domestic Serbs to convince them to start war against each other(civil war-cetnics against partisani).
SVC never fight against ustashas.Only chetnicks of Pavle Djurisic and Mihajlovic fight against Pavelic's soldiers.Pavelic was not National-Socialist,he was only anti-serb.He was married with a women ,who was partly jew.Some jews was on very high postion in NDH (Dinko Sakic said this on his trial).
Could you please elaborate on your views regarding Ljotic's "greatness"?
I can't in english language,only in Serbian.

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Post by Allen Milcic » 15 Aug 2005, 22:31

Serbian boy wrote: I can't in english language,only in Serbian.
I would be happy to translate if it isn't too long a posting.

Allen/

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Post by Serbian boy » 18 Aug 2005, 23:31

Could you please elaborate on your views regarding Ljotic's "greatness"?

Ljotic was one of the few Serbian politicians that correctly assessed the political situation before the April War. He knew that Yugoslavia could only continue to exist as an ally of the Reich. He knew that the British, whose goal was to draw Yugoslavia into the war against the 3rd Reich at any price, was also cognizant that this would bring upon great destruction to the Serbian people, and he was aware that Britain was investing large sums of money into propaganda that was being fed to the people of Yugoslavia since the begining of WW2. He warned the Regent Paul of this by way of letters during 1940 (a total of 3 letters). After the catastrophe of the April War, Ljotic saw that cooperation with the Reich was the only possible solution for the Serbian people. He actively participated in the creation of volunteer units that first took up arms against the 'reds'. I certainly respect his anti-Communist stance, as we all know how much suffering Communism caused the people.I would recommend to everyone that they read Ljotic's article that he wrote on April 20, 1945 for the Fuhrer's 56th birthday. I think the text is an excellent source for understanding Ljotic's opinion of Hitler. Ljotic believed that materialism was one of the causes of Serbian suffering and I completely agree with him in that regard. Naturally, there are a few matters that I disagree with him on, for example his religious fanaticism, which I do not find acceptable.

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