Serbian SS Unit (& SDK)
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Vladimir Ljotic
I'm new to the forum and wanted to voice my opinion. I know Vladimir Ljotic (Dimitrije's son) as he lives in Halifax (West Yorkshire) and attends all funerals of former Serb Volunteer Corps members (including my grandfather). Although his father had anti-semitic views, Vladimir and most of the surviving Serb Volunteer Corps members maintain their reasons for joining the Serb Volunteer Corps... anti communist feeling rather than any racsist Greater Serbia ideology. My grandfather was in IV division based in Smederevo. He was from the town of Pozarevac which was in 1939 almost entirely Serbian. Excepting a few Roma and a few other small groups his home town was ethnically homogenous. My grandfather joined the Serb Volunteer Corps for reasons of fear of post WWII Yugoslavia being communist. If Ljotic held anti-semetic views then they held no attraction for my grandfather and thousands of other Volunteer Corps members because the limited contact between ethnic groups in large quantities made anti-semitic/racsist views almost impossible. For example... why would my grandfather support the liquidisation of Jews when a) he had never met one, b) His area of Serbia had no history of Jewish habitation, and c) membership for the Serb Volunteer Corps increased after the occupying German forces had already dealt with Yugoslavia's Jews?
I would welcome anyones view on the Volunteer Corps as in the UK they are considered a regiment raised on the foundation of facsist ideology.
I would welcome anyones view on the Volunteer Corps as in the UK they are considered a regiment raised on the foundation of facsist ideology.
Ljotici -
Because of your deeply personal connections to the SFK veterans by virtue of your family and upbringing, I would respectfully suggest that you do your own research in the original source documents. There is quite a bit of material in the German occupation records (Komm.Gen. und Militärbefehlshaber in Serbien, etc.), in the postwar Allied and U.N. War Crimes Commission records, and of course in Yugoslav records in several archives in Belgrade. Well intentioned people can post responses to your questions here until the cows come home, but it is extremely doubtful if these will have any impact on your beliefs and opinions. I think you have to ferret these answers out for yourself, even though that may involve several years and some travelling.
Because of your deeply personal connections to the SFK veterans by virtue of your family and upbringing, I would respectfully suggest that you do your own research in the original source documents. There is quite a bit of material in the German occupation records (Komm.Gen. und Militärbefehlshaber in Serbien, etc.), in the postwar Allied and U.N. War Crimes Commission records, and of course in Yugoslav records in several archives in Belgrade. Well intentioned people can post responses to your questions here until the cows come home, but it is extremely doubtful if these will have any impact on your beliefs and opinions. I think you have to ferret these answers out for yourself, even though that may involve several years and some travelling.
- Serbian boy
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You can find here some pics of SVC:
http://www.pogledi.co.yu/nedic_ljotic/11.php
According to book Milan Nedić-Borković: Serbian Gestapo was formed by Gestpo in june of 1942,the commander was Strahinja Janjić ,they were armed with german weapons and in barracks agents carried german unifroms and in the field SD uniforms,before actions against go to location of action in civillian clothes.Unit was located in street Starine Novaka.In jule there were 12 againt,in october 45, and in and of 1942 88 members.During 1942 in this unit was totally 147 person.The task of unit was to fight against communist bandits and to spy SVC and SSG.After protests of Nedić and Ljotić, in 30.april of 1943 26 member of Serbian Gestapo was sent to Germany by order of Gestapo.They espy serbian workers and POWs.Strahinja Janjić was sent to Germany,tooAfter this ,in unit stay 33 agent,the new commander was Svetoza Nećak.They were relocated in street Žorža (Georga) Klemensoa number 36.The unit was disbanded in early of 1944.After this the former member was used by Gestapo invidually.
http://www.pogledi.co.yu/nedic_ljotic/11.php
According to book Milan Nedić-Borković: Serbian Gestapo was formed by Gestpo in june of 1942,the commander was Strahinja Janjić ,they were armed with german weapons and in barracks agents carried german unifroms and in the field SD uniforms,before actions against go to location of action in civillian clothes.Unit was located in street Starine Novaka.In jule there were 12 againt,in october 45, and in and of 1942 88 members.During 1942 in this unit was totally 147 person.The task of unit was to fight against communist bandits and to spy SVC and SSG.After protests of Nedić and Ljotić, in 30.april of 1943 26 member of Serbian Gestapo was sent to Germany by order of Gestapo.They espy serbian workers and POWs.Strahinja Janjić was sent to Germany,tooAfter this ,in unit stay 33 agent,the new commander was Svetoza Nećak.They were relocated in street Žorža (Georga) Klemensoa number 36.The unit was disbanded in early of 1944.After this the former member was used by Gestapo invidually.
- Serbian boy
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Branko Gašparević "Gara" was teacher and member of JNP Zbor.From september 1941 captain in SVC.In september 1944 he and 60 soldier of SVC was sent to Neusterlitz,by order of Ljotić and suggestation of Matl.They was a diverzant group,after training in march 1945 sent to Serbia.After few comabts surrendered in April.Gara was sentenced to death in august 1945.
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Re: Serbian SS Unit (& SDK)
So much emphasis is placed on proving that this was an SS unit rather than just some collaborator unit prior to Nov 44
The uniforms and equipment are nothing remeniscent of even a 3rd rate SS unit even after induction.
The uniforms and equipment are nothing remeniscent of even a 3rd rate SS unit even after induction.
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Re: Serbian SS Unit (& SDK)
Anybody has some informations about Captain Milan Terzic of SFK who received Iron Cross?
Thank you anyway.
Thank you anyway.
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More about Serbian Gestapo can found at
http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/s ... n-gestapo/
and
http://derfreiwilligen.blogspot.com/201 ... stapo.html
http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/s ... n-gestapo/
and
http://derfreiwilligen.blogspot.com/201 ... stapo.html
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Re: Serbian SS Unit (& SDK)
Here are the documents of Strahinja Janjic.
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I don't know is this true but is certainly interesting.Mikedc wrote:Ivanwss wrote:serbian SS commander Strahinja Janjic.
Hello Ivan,
Did this person had any Waffen-SS rank or not???
And do you have some more info on him???
Greetings,
Mike
Regarding Janjic's rank.
For example, the 28th Volunteer SS Division “Wallonien” from Belgium and the 23d Volunteer SS Division
“Nederland” with Dutch citizens were formed in this way. By us one likes best to write of the Moslems in the
13th Volunteer SS Division “Handžar” and of the Croatians in the 23rd Volunteer SS Division “Kama”; nothing is
said however of the 90 French citizens of the 33rd SS Division “Charlemagne” who defended the Fuhrer’s bunker
in Berlin to the last drop of blood in April and May of 1945. (DER SPIEGEL, Nr. 14 of April 3, 1995). Georg
H. Stein mentions in his book Geschichte der Waffen SS, (History of the Waffen SS), Königstein/T Athenäum,
1978, pp. 269 - 271, altogether 38 Divisions and 14 smaller units, among them also a British SS unit as well as a
Serbian SS volunteer corps. As Nenad Stefanović reports in the Belgrade illustrated DUGA (Nr. 1690, March
28, 1998) the Serbian SS unit numbered 150 men in black uniforms and was commanded by Kragujevac-born
Untersturmführer Strahinja Janjić. It is believed that never before in history has there ever existed an
international political paramilitary with more members than the SS.
http://www.google.ba/url?sa=t&source=we ... Hw&cad=rja
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huummm...frenchmens in Berlin were between 320 and 350 mens! remember, the SS-Sturmbataillon "Charlemagne" has 5 company (1,2,3,4 and Kampfschule company). Company chiefs were Ustuf. Jean LABOURDETTE, Ostuf Pierre MICHEL, Hscha Pierre ROSTAING, Oscha Jean OLLIVIER and Ostuf Wilhelm WEBER (german)nothing is
said however of the 90 French citizens of the 33rd SS Division “Charlemagne” who defended the Fuhrer’s bunker
in Berlin to the last drop of blood in April and May of 1945. (DER SPIEGEL, Nr. 14 of April 3, 1995).
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Plenty plenty plenty has been written about the French SS in Berlin. Much of it unverifiable.nothing is said however of the 90 French citizens of the 33rd SS Division “Charlemagne” who defended the Fuhrer’s bunker in Berlin to the last drop of blood in April and May of 1945.
Believed by whom?It is believed that never before in history has there ever existed an
international political paramilitary with more members than the SS.
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The story of the 90 man of the Sturmbataillon Charlemagne in Berlin comes from the unpublished memoirs of Brigadefuehrer Krukenberg which the author admittedly mistaken when he confers with veterans of the Charlemagne Division like Henri FenetRob - wssob2 wrote:nothing is said however of the 90 French citizens of the 33rd SS Division “Charlemagne” who defended the Fuhrer’s bunker in Berlin to the last drop of blood in April and May of 1945.
Plenty plenty plenty has been written about the French SS in Berlin. Much of it unverifiable.
The English language sources on the Charlemagne Division
For Europe - Robert Forbers (remains the most authoritative work in English on the Charlemagne Division
Charlemagne's Legionnaires - Richard Landwehr
SS Charlemagne - Tony Le Tissier
Hitler's Gauls - Jonathan Trigg
Foreign Legions of the Third Reich - David Littlejohn
Forgotten Legions: Obscure Combat Formation of the Waffen SS - Antonio J. Munoz
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Well, it sead that ''90 Frenchman defended Fuhrer's bunker'' together with Germans, not entire Berlin.Ustuf.33 wrote:huummm...frenchmens in Berlin were between 320 and 350 mens! remember, the SS-Sturmbataillon "Charlemagne" has 5 company (1,2,3,4 and Kampfschule company). Company chiefs were Ustuf. Jean LABOURDETTE, Ostuf Pierre MICHEL, Hscha Pierre ROSTAING, Oscha Jean OLLIVIER and Ostuf Wilhelm WEBER (german)nothing is
said however of the 90 French citizens of the 33rd SS Division “Charlemagne” who defended the Fuhrer’s bunker
in Berlin to the last drop of blood in April and May of 1945. (DER SPIEGEL, Nr. 14 of April 3, 1995).
But I would like to know is it true,
''The Serbian SS unit numbered 150 men in black uniforms and was commanded by the Kragujevac-born Untersturmführer Strahinja Janjić.''