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Post by Panzermahn » 19 Jun 2005 17:35

Hey Ivanwss,

I cant believe it again...You did it again ...i was submitting my post and then i saw your reply..Good god,what's your time there at Serbia Montenegro? How could you be so "schneller"? :D

In Malaysia it's 12.35 AM monday ( GMT +8 ) now

Anyhow,

Regarding the Serbian SD foreign auxiliaries, have they ever been involved with any Croatian SD foreign auxiliaries in any operations?

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 19 Jun 2005 17:40

There's not much info on this unit, everything i could find i've already posted.
Anyway, i doubt it...

Serbian SS (SD) unit was formed in June 1942, and dissbanded in April 1943.
They have "operated" in Serbia only.

/Ivan

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Post by Panzermahn » 19 Jun 2005 17:52

Ivanwss wrote:There's not much info on this unit, everything i could find i've already posted.
Anyway, i doubt it...

Serbian SS (SD) unit was formed in June 1942, and dissbanded in April 1943.
They have "operated" in Serbia only.

/Ivan
Thanks for the info!!

Any major source on this Serbian SD unit in English or other languages?

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 19 Jun 2005 17:59

Only my translation from SDK officer's B.N.Kostić's book "Za istoriju naših dana",
and link i've posted at the botom of first page of this thread.

/Ivan

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Post by Marcus » 19 Jun 2005 18:09

Panzermahn wrote:Any major source on this Serbian SD unit in English or other languages?
"Belgrade's Best: The Serbian Volunteer Corps 1941-1945" by Momcilo Dobrich might be of interest.

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Post by Panzermahn » 19 Jun 2005 18:09

Ivanwss wrote:Only my translation from SDK officer's B.N.Kostić's book "Za istoriju naših dana",
and link i've posted at the botom of first page of this thread.

/Ivan
Panzermahn wrote:
Any major source on this Serbian SD unit in English or other languages?

"Belgrade's Best: The Serbian Volunteer Corps 1941-1945" by Momcilo Dobrich might be of interest.

/Marcus

Thanks again

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 19 Jun 2005 19:21

Marcus Wendel wrote:"Belgrade's Best: The Serbian Volunteer Corps 1941-1945" by Momcilo Dobrich might be of interest.
I haven't read Dobrić's book yet, but it obviously contains many errors.
Here are some from Axis History Factbook which used his book as Reference material
for Srpski dobrovoljački korpus (SDK):

"Commanders:
Lieutenant-colonel Dimitrije Ljotić (? Sep 1941 - ? 1944)
General Kosta Mušicki (? 1944 - ? 1945)"


Mušicki was the only commander of the unit.
Ljotić was under his command.

"Most of its members came from the fascist Zbor party."

Perhaps half, but not "most" of its members.
"Zbor" was not a fascist movement.

"The command of this unit was transferred to the Waffen-SS Nov 1944
and it was renamed Serbisches Freilligen Korps der SS."


I would love to hear where Dobrić found this information,
since even communists didn't have it for Mušicki's trial.
Mušicki recieved his orders from Nedić (with approval from Germans),
but Waffen-SS...? I bet that this claim would be a funny surprise for ex-SDK members.

Most of these infos come from Mušicki's trial (book "Ne osećam se krivim"),
and i was writing it now from my memory.
I can post some more info with dates when i check it (=when i return to my place).

Dobrić's book is the first source i've found that claimed SDK was Waffen-SS unit
and it made me laugh.

/Ivan

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Post by Marcus » 19 Jun 2005 19:56

Ivanwss wrote:I haven't read Dobrić's book yet, but it obviously contains many errors.
You haven't read it so you have no idea what it contains.

The information on the site does not come from that book as I don't own it. I'll try to find the source for that information later.

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 19 Jun 2005 19:59

Marcus Wendel wrote:
Ivanwss wrote:I haven't read Dobrić's book yet, but it obviously contains many errors.
You haven't read it so you have no idea what it contains.

The information on the site does not come from that book as I don't own it. I'll try to find the source for that information later.

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OK, Marcus, i was just correcting what AHFactbook claims
and it's been written that ref.mat.for the text was Dobrić's book.

/Ivan

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Post by Marcus » 19 Jun 2005 19:59

jarek_g wrote the below in the forum but unfortunately did not give any source.

jarek_g wrote:Hi guys,

24 November 1944 in Waffen SS included Srpski Dobrovoljacki Korpus / Serbisches Freiwilligen Korps. Corpus (in shortening SDK) came into being 15 September 1941 as Srpska Dobrovoljacka Komanda / Serbisches Freiwilligen Abteilung (incl. 12 units). 20 November 1942 reformed in five batallions and change name - Srpski Dobrovoljacki Korpus. In 1944 batallions expanded in five regiments. CO - Gen. Maj. Konstantin Musicki (germ.: Muschitzki)

Regiment 1. Serbisches SS-Korps from Regiment 1. SDK (tree batallions) - CO major Ilja Micasevic (germ.: Mitzaschewitz)

Regiment 2. Serbisches SS-Korps from Regiment 2. SDK (tree batallions) - CO major Marisav Petrovic

Regiment 3. Serbisches SS-Korps from Regiment 3. SDK (tree batallions) - CO major Vojislav Dimitrijevic and later captain I. class Miodrag Markovic

Regiment 4. Serbisches SS-Korps from Regiment 4. SDK (tree batallions) - CO major Vuk Vlahovic and later major Vojislav Dimitrijevic (from Rgt. 3)

Regiment 5. Serbisches SS-Korps from SS Regiment 5. SDK (tree batallions) - CO
major Milorad Mojic and later ltn. col. Mirko Stankovic.

Artillerie Abteilung Serbisches SS-Korps from Artilerijski divizion SDK (1. Pz. Jg. Bttr., 2. Haubitzen. Bttr., 3. Geb. Kanone Bttr.) - CO major Momcilo Borcevic (germ.: Momtschilo Bortschewitz)

Any details about this corps in Waffen SS?

Bestreg.
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Post by Marcus » 19 Jun 2005 20:00

Ivanwss wrote:it's been written that ref.mat.for the text was Dobrić's book.
No you are missunderstanding, the "Reference material" heading simply lists book on the unit in question, it is not list of the sources used.

/Marcus

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 19 Jun 2005 20:12

Ah, OK, sorry. Than AHFactbook made a mistake.

Well i would love to see jarek_g sources as well, since they are not true.

SDK was not Waffen-SS unit, and they have never even fought for Germans.
Last (period) source on the unit is Mušicki's testemony,
and (as i wrote) communists never brought up the subject that SDK was SS or German unit at all.

SDK was fighting for Serbia and king Peter II who was in England as you probbably know.
SDK officers had meetings with king Peter II as his son prince Tomislav also remembers in his memoirs.
They wore Serbian uniforms & insignia and Serbian flags (only Italian helmets).
SDK even sang songs about the king (& Serbia) during the war, which lyrics and (post-war) recordings i have,
and which my father personaly heard during the war.
So - not even a German unit, and far from being a Waffen-SS one.
I don't know how Germans allowed SDK to sing songs about their enemy king Peter II,
but nevermind... These are the facts, there are still many veterans (or civilians) alive that can confirm this.

/Ivan
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Post by Marcus » 19 Jun 2005 20:21

I don't have the time to check more at the moment, but it is mentioned as a Waffen-SS unit in "Forgotten Legions: Obscure combat formations of the Waffen-SS" by Antonio J. Munoz.

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Post by Marcus » 19 Jun 2005 20:23

Iwanss,

You may be right of course, but do you have any other sources to prove for example Munoz wrong?

/Marcus

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 19 Jun 2005 20:27

Marcus Wendel wrote:I don't have the time to check more at the moment, but it is mentioned as a Waffen-SS unit in "Forgotten Legions: Obscure combat formations of the Waffen-SS" by Antonio J. Munoz.

/Marcus
OK. :)
But can anyone give me any idea why wouldn't SDK wear any SS or German insignia as "SS unit"?
And why Mušicki, as a commander, never got an SS rank, uniform, insignia...?
...if even RONA commander Kaminski had SS rank & uniform etc...
Strange isn't it?

Believe me, the claim about SDK being a Waffen-SS unit is silly :)

/Ivan
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