Serbian SS Unit (& SDK)

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 19 Jun 2005 22:01

Serbian boy wrote:And Zbor was nationalist and anti-semitic organization,I read few articles written by Ljotic, some articles are very anti-semitic.
"Serbian boy" if you're about to prove that Ljotić was an anti-semite
and to spread more of this "facts" about SDK,
i must ask you one question first: why did you pic that avatar?

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Post by Serbian boy » 19 Jun 2005 22:28

He also lead SDK under JVuO Gen.Damjanović, and "surrendered" with četniks in Slovenia.
SDK surrendered in Itay and Austria...

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 19 Jun 2005 22:44

Srpski dobrovoljački korpus 1941-1945 :

Commander : General Kosta Mušicki

They fought along with Germans, but for Serbia and king Peter II,
against communists and četniks who caused German killings of Serbian civillians.
They have helped many Serbian civillians and refugees from Croatia etc.

Idea of the unit was to switch sides when Allies land in Balkans,
and fight with četniks against Germans.
They have never surrendered, but laid down their arms to Allies.

They wore Serbian insignia and uniforms, sang Serbian songs about their king and freedom.

They were never a German unit.

If anyone want this confirmed, i suggest reading of SDK books, D.Ljotić, B.Karapandžić, B.Kostić, M.Petrović, etc...
Communist book "Ne osećam se krivim" has a text from Mušicki's trial.
Talk to SDK veterans, you can find many of them as monks in Orthodox monasteries.

Nothing more to add.

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Post by Allen Milcic » 20 Jun 2005 01:28

From http://www.vojska.net:
Srpski Dobrovoljacki Korpus
Serbisches Freilligen Korps
Serbian SS Volunteer Corps

Formed on 15 September 1941, by Dimitrije Ljotić from Chetniks and his Zbor Movement activists. It had twelve 120-150 strong detachments. In January 1943, it become Serbian Volunteer Corps (Srpski Dobrovoljacki Korpus - SDK) with five 500 man battalions - four volunteer and one Chetnik Assault battalion and from 4 January 1943 it also had armored car battalion, cavalry squadron and 6 aircraft - strength is around 3,000 men. Formation was fully equipped by Germans who where impressed by its performance.

Armored car battalion (bornih kola) had some 20 different vehicles - some ex-YU which Germans considered obsolete, few French Renault tanks, Czech and maximum of three German half-tracks in very bad shape. Out of six aircraft, two were Breguet-XIX and one Fieseler Storch. Flights (when aircraft were in flight condition) were allowed only with German supervision.

In 1944 five 1200-man regiments with 500-man artillery battalion, under German tactical command but reporting to General Nedić. On 21 June another regiment was formed - 2nd Iron Regiment (2. gvozdeni puk), total strength has risen to around 9,000 men.

On 8 October 1944 leaves Belgrade, moving to Syrmia and finally retreating to Slovenia. In November 1944 the Waffen-SS took over the job of supplying the SVC, and on paper naming it the Serbian SS Volunteer Corps. But the SVC never had German uniforms, only Yugoslav or Italian, and never donned SS patches or runes.

Serbian Volunteer Corps on 15 August 1944

Brigade Staff
General Konstantin Musicki
Staff
Staff Company 2 LMGs
Telephone Platoon
Medical Company
Light Supply Column
Training Company 2 75mm leIG, 2 120mm mortars, 2 50mm mortars, 4 HMGs, & 12 LMGs
Brigade Band
1st Serbian Infantry Regiment Regimental Staff 2 LMGs
Signals Platoon
Regimental Band
Replacement Company 2 50mm mortars, 1 HMG & 2 LMGs
1st Battalion 1st Company 1 HMG, 12 LMGs & 2 50mm mortars
2nd Company 1 HMG, 12 LMGs & 2 50mm mortars
3rd Company 1 HMG, 12 LMGs & 2 50mm mortars
Heavy Company 4 HMGs, 2 LMGs, 4 80mm mortars &
2 75mm leIG
2nd Battalion - see 1st Battalion
3rd Battalion - see 1st Battalion
2nd Serbian Infantry Regiment see 1st Serbian Infantry Regiment
3rd Serbian Infantry Regiment see 1st Serbian Infantry Regiment
4th Serbian Infantry Regiment
Lieutenant Milos Vonjnović
see 1st Serbian Infantry Regiment
5th Serbian Infantry Regiment see 1st Serbian Infantry Regiment

Corps joined Chetnik Shumadia Division on 30 March 1945 and by order of General Damjanovic, General Mihailovich's commander in Slovenia, and crossed the border into Italy on 1 May. However three regiments which had been fighting to hold off the Partisans in front of Ljubljana, retreated into Austria and surrendered to British who together with 1,000 Chetniks and 10,000 Slovenian Home Defence soldiers (Domobran) sent them back to Tito and were executed at Kocevje Rog, two others surrendering in Italy remained in the West.
http://www.vojska.net/ww2/serbia/sdk/default.asp

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Post by Allen Milcic » 20 Jun 2005 01:32

An excellent biography of Ljotic and a history of the "Zbor" movement (unfortunately only in Serbian, no English translation):

http://www.sedmica.co.yu/ljotic.htm

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 20 Jun 2005 09:11

Allen Milcic wrote:In November 1944 the Waffen-SS took over the job of supplying the SVC, and on paper naming it the Serbian SS Volunteer Corps. But the SVC never had German uniforms, only Yugoslav or Italian, and never donned SS patches or runes.
And this makes them a Waffen-SS unit?

NEVER.

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Post by David Thompson » 20 Jun 2005 09:26

Ivanwss -- You've posted at least seven times in this thread denying that the Serbian Volunteer Corps was an SS unit. This is a research section of the forum where information is appreciated, but your posts are degenerating into a chant. If you have information on the subject, please post it here. If you don't, seven times is enough.

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 20 Jun 2005 09:34

David Thompson wrote:Ivanwss -- You've posted at least seven times in this thread denying that the Serbian Volunteer Corps was an SS unit. This is a research section of the forum where information is appreciated, but your posts are degenerating into a chant. If you have information on the subject, please post it here. If you don't, seven times is enough.
:lol: OK, sorry, i guess i just got carried away.

Well, nothing so far proved either that they were an SS unit.

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 20 Jun 2005 09:49

As i wrote, it is pointless to try to prove this claim.
Info from website (vojska.net) Allen has posted
claims "supplies" and "on paper" which perhaps makes some sence...
Allthough, i have never found these infos anywhere before in Yugoslav history.
All the facts have already been posted, so i could just repeat myself,
which D.Thompson has reminded me not to do. :)

Please - everyone interested in this (SDK) topic - read veteran memoirs.
They'll always have more value than historians' research.

/Ivan

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Post by Serbian boy » 20 Jun 2005 10:51

Ivanwss!

Have you some pictures of Serbian State Guard (SDS)?

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 20 Jun 2005 10:56

Serbian boy wrote:Ivanwss!

Have you some pictures of Serbian State Guard (SDS)?
Some, yes.

I've already posted two here:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... c&start=75
pic 03 - SDS member retreating from četniks
pic 09 - SDS member with četniks :)

* Off-topic nonsense deleted by Moderator *
/Ivan

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Post by Allen Milcic » 20 Jun 2005 14:47

* Ivanwss - this is your final warning to discontinue with off-topic mumbling against the Moderation of the Forum. *

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 20 Jun 2005 15:40

Allen Milcic wrote:* Ivanwss - this is your final warning to discontinue with off-topic mumbling against the Moderation of the Forum. *
Come on, that was just a joke :)

Cheers,
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Post by Allen Milcic » 20 Jun 2005 15:47

Ivanwss wrote:
Allen Milcic wrote:* Ivanwss - this is your final warning to discontinue with off-topic mumbling against the Moderation of the Forum. *
Come on, that was just a joke :)

Cheers,
Ivan
Then show off your sense of humour by starting a joke thread in the Lounge instead of butchering research threads.

Allen/

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Post by Larry D. » 20 Jun 2005 15:53

Ivanwss wrote:
Please - everyone interested in this (SDK) topic - read veteran memoirs.
They'll always have more value than historians' research.
That statement, more than anything else you have ever posted here, is the most absurd and insulting. It is the statement made by someone with a very narrow mind and frame of reference.

Your main issue concerns the following:
.......Meanwhile, major changes were occurring in Berlin that had an impact on many of the non-German volunteers who were fighting with the German forces. There was a branch-of-service redistribution by ethnic group, and the Serbian volunteers now found themselves under the authority of the Waffen-SS. The order effecting the transfer was dated 9 November, but not formally recognized until 27 November. At this time the S.F.K. consisted of a corps staff, five regiments each with three battalions, a signal company, a mountain supply detachment and a German liaison staff -at least this was its composition on paper.

It is important to point out at this time that the S.F.K. 's relationship with the Waffen-SS was consumated officially, but never organically. The troops never wore the uniform of the Waffen-SS, and it is doubtful whether the relationship ever went beyond the simple exchange of a limited amount of paperwork. The S.F.K. 's situation was quite similar to that of the XV. Kosaken-Kavallerie-Korps, which was also taken into the Waffen-SS at about the same time.......
The footnote for the first paragraph is:
OKH, GenStdH/Org.Abt. Nr. II/47133/44 g.Kdos., 27.11.1944, in: NARS T-78, roll 432, frame 6404254; Klietmann, K-G. - Die Waffen-SS: Eine Dokumentation, Osnabrück: Verlag .'Der Freiwillige.', 1965, pp.383-84.

The footnote for the second paragraph is:
Verheye, Pierre C.T. - letter to the author dated 18 September 1980.

The above comes from the original manuscript as published in Richard Landwehr's SIGRUNEN periodical some 20 years ago. The two paragraphs made it quite clear that the relationship of the S.D.K. to the Waffen-SS was "official" as opposed to both "official and in practice." If you disagree with the footnoted sources, then PROVE they are wrong. The cited sources are incontestable as any historian would immediately recognize.

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