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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by Ivan Ž. » 27 Dec 2018 00:13

balkanguy44 wrote:
27 Dec 2018 00:07
A man from the artillery battalion.

Source: Singa Bosnia by Nino N.
Actual source: R. Kaltenegger, Mountain Troops of the Waffen-SS 1941-1945, p. 119.

Pictured is one of the five brothers that manned together a howitzer http://bandenkampf.blogspot.com/2015/12/bk0112.html

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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 27 Dec 2018 00:18

Ivan Ž. wrote:
27 Dec 2018 00:13
Actual source: R. Kaltenegger, Mountain Troops of the Waffen-SS 1941-1945, p. 119.

Pictured is one of the five brothers that manned together a howitzer http://bandenkampf.blogspot.com/2015/12/bk0112.html

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Hello Ivan,

Is the picture cropped or just like in the book of Mr Kaltenegger?

I know the story of the five brothers. It's strange - always when I find a photo of the artillery battalion it's one of them.
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by Ivan Ž. » 27 Dec 2018 00:23

Hello,

Yes, now the five brothers are known again ;) That's what the photo looks like in the book = not cropped (it's artillery regiment, not battalion).

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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 27 Dec 2018 00:28

Hello,

Yes, their story is known again :)

Thanks for the information.
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by Ivan Ž. » 27 Dec 2018 00:32

By the way, according to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, there were six brothers actually, five of whom manned one gun. I don't know what was the assignment of the 6th brother.

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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 27 Dec 2018 00:37

Interesting. I’ve never heard of the 6th brother just of five and I have only seen photos with five of them.
Is there anything else known of them?
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by Ivan Ž. » 27 Dec 2018 00:40

This little detail can be found in "Handschar" #8, p. 3, or see Bernwald's book, p. 391 (thanks to Dmitry, who spotted it ;)).
Grand Mufti of Jerusalem wrote:
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Not much is known on them, besides that they were introduced to the Grand Mufti and that a photo report was made on them.

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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by DFrolov1992 » 27 Dec 2018 01:00

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Hello guys!

Does anyone know the exact number of Albanians who served in the Handschar Division? (Just a quick question)
Hi balkanguy44

There is no exact estimate of the number of Albanians in the division. I will give a few examples. Eberhard Raichel (SS-Sturmbannführer und Legationsrat der Abteilung Inland IIc) relying on the assessment of the SS-Hauptamt, believed that in the "Handschar" division, at least 1,000 Albanians served in separate units. (BA-MA. N756 sign 168a. Bosniaken-Division. LR Dr. Reichel. o.oInl. II. 2006/43g.). The Wehrmacht High Command's (OKW) assessment is exactly 2500 Albanians (BA-MA. N 756. Sign. 169a. Fernschreibenan Gen. Kdo. V. SS Geb. A.K. 21.02.1944;). Yugoslav authors give an estimate of 20% of the personnel, or about 800 people.(Војноисторискн институт југословенсне народне армнје. Зборник докумената и података о народно ослободилачком рату ј угословенских народатом т. 1 к. 8. Борбе у Војводини 1944 год. с. 345; Dželetovič Ivanov. P. 21. SS-Divizija Skenderbeg. s. 193.) For example, Hermann Neubacher(Sonderbevollmächtigter Südost des Auswärtigen Amtes) believed that at least 4,000 Albanians had served in the "Handschar" division before entering the "Skanderbeg" division. However, considering that most Albanians were in the same battalion, this figure looks even more improbable than the OKW estimate. (Bohler J. Gerwarth R. The Waffen-SS. The European History.p. 266.)

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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 27 Dec 2018 07:43

Ivan Ž. wrote:
27 Dec 2018 00:40
This little detail can be found in "Handschar" #8, p. 3, or see Bernwald's book, p. 391 (thanks to Dmitry, who spotted it ;)).


Not much is known on them, besides that they were introduced to the Grand Mufti and that a photo report was made on them.

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Thanks again Ivan. I should take a closer look at the divisional newspaper in Bernwalds book I guess.. to find such details.

I know one photo from your blogspot where one of them was introduced to the Grand Mufti.
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 27 Dec 2018 07:49

Hello DFrolov1992,

That is pretty interesting. That means nobody really knew the exact number of Albanians in the division. As it was a battalion I always thought that about 1500-2000 Albanians served in the division.

Thank you very much!
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 28 Dec 2018 16:03

Commander Karl-Gustav Sauberzweig wearing an "Albanerfez" (Albanian fez) which was specially made for the Albanians in the Handschar. The photo must have been taken in March or April 1944, before the Albanian battalion was transferred to the newly formed SS Skanderbeg Division (1st Albanian). Does anybody know more about this picture?
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by Ivan Ž. » 28 Dec 2018 16:06

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28 Dec 2018 16:03
Source: Carl Savich /Facebook (or Himmler's Bosnian Division by George Lepre)
The source is the cover of George's book.

From left to right: Raithel (commander 28th regiment), Sauberzweig (division commander), Bormann (commander I/28), Bosnia, April 1944.

(I/28 = I battalion of the 28th regiment, known as the Albanian Battalion = hence the Albanian fez on the division's commander's head, supporting the battalion's troops)

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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 28 Dec 2018 16:36

Hello Ivan,

Thanks for the info.
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 28 Dec 2018 18:43

Ivan Ž. wrote:
28 Dec 2018 16:06
From left to right: Raithel (commander 28th regiment), Sauberzweig (division commander), Bormann (commander I/28), Bosnia, April 1944.
Operation “Osterei” (Easter Egg) took place in April 1944, is it possible that this photo was taken around the time of this operation?
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 28 Dec 2018 18:54

Another interesting photo. Soldiers of the Handschar Division speaking with civilians in a (Bosnian?) town, (spring 1944?). I’m not an expert but I would guess Brčko or Bijeljina but it’s just a guess!
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